Scrapwood Jolly Roger

Sylvrfalcn

Sylvrfalcn

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Scrap? What's scrap? Leftover wood, steel, antler, etc., ain't for throwing away, it's for making something else. Had some wood leftover from building a heavy pine card table for a friend, got to looking at it and said, "I know what that wants to be, sumthin' purty to hang on the wall". The parts of Jolly Roger were cut out piece by piece, jigsaw puzzle fashion, using a homemade saw and whittled with a homemade knife. Homemade saw? Just a wooden saw frame that's tensioned by a twisted cord (think old timey bucksaw) and sized to accept standard coping saw blades.
I know what y'all are thinking, but I swear that slimey bilge rat there didn't assist me on any part of this little project. :D

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Sarge
 
come over to my house. Bring a truck. A big truck.

There is not only all the scrap I insist to my wife we need, but an entire home you can tear down by hammer. You think I'm kidding? Old home- miner's home. Fight the packrats off and take whatever you find, unless of course is a Colt Army or a 1886 Winchester. Any gold dust hidden in the walls? First 2000 is yours; 40/60 after. Sound good? You like old iron and square nails? come to my place. Lord knows what those old poisened miners hid in that home....It's sagging and old.

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munk
 
Old miner's shack you say Munk? Can't keep no Colts or Winchesters if I find 'em? Hmmmmmm. If I find an old top break Smith and Wesson can I keep that ;)

On the subject of scrap. Was talking to the blacksmith at the living history museum in Saint Augustine. He's very fond of working in wrought iron, but real wrought iron is getting increasingly costly and scarce. An old bridge had to be torn down and dredged out somewhere around Matanzas Bay. Among the "junk" being hauled away was an assortment of iron rods and bars (which later proved to be wrought iron of a very high quality). Well this construction feller remembered the blacksmith feller, and hooked him up with about 300 lbs. of the stuff (God bless him). Well some "junk" got squared away and a vast array of artifact reproductions got made for the living history museum by one very happy blacksmith. Scrap? Junk? One of these days that stuff will be our single largest "unnatural resource".

Sarge
 
Sylvrfalcn said:
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Sarge!

This is a family forum, and that picture is definately rated AAARRGGHHHH!



Nice use of junk though. I found an old junked entertainment center with a thick mahogony top once. It made 2 large wei chi boards, one I currently use and one I gave to a friend.
 
Howard Wallace said:
Nice use of junk though. I found an old junked entertainment center with a thick mahogony top once. It made 2 large wei chi boards, one I currently use and one I gave to a friend.
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That's good stuff Howard, I love mahogony. A friend turned me onto checking out thrift shops for old leather jackets. "Dressed out" them critters yield enough garment leather for all kind of pouches and stuff. "Junk" is like people, sometimes you have to look a little harder to spot potential, but it's there. :D

Sarge
 
I've loaded this thread several times and I still can't see any pic.:( :grumpy:
Sarge do you have the time to email it too me? ;) :D
 
Yvsa said:
I've loaded this thread several times and I still can't see any pic.:( :grumpy:
Sarge do you have the time to email it too me? ;) :D
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Dadburn blankety blank yahoo website goofy dust again :mad: Here you go Yvsa, sorry about that. :D

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I learn so much stuff while looking up stuff that other folks already know.:o

The origins of the term "Jolly Roger" are unclear.

One theory is that it comes from the French term "joli rouge," ("pretty red") which the English corrupted into "Jolly Roger". This may be likely as there were a series of "red flags" that were feared as much, or more, than "black flags". The origin of the red flag is likely that English privateers flew the red jack by order of the Admiralty in 1694. When the War of Spanish Succession ended in 1714, many privateers turned to piracy and some retained the red flag, as red symbolized blood. No matter how much seamen dreaded the black pirate standard, all prayed they never encountered the joli rouge. This red flag boldly declared the pirates' intentions: no life would be spared. No quarter given, none asked.

The term was subsequently used for the black flag with skull and bones which appeared in use around 1700.


ORP Sokół returning from a World War II patrol flying her Jolly Roger (which traditionally signifies a successful combat mission); and a kill indicated by the swastika flag flownThere is another theory, also using "joli rouge" as the origin for the name. Apparently a Catholic order of fierce warrior monks, known as the "Poor Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon", or Knights Templar, first used the "joli rouge", the red flag. The link between the monks and pirates is provided by the fact that they were fighting for their cause on the open seas, effectively becoming pirates. In combat practice many merchants were surprised when a fast ship changed a fellow national flag for the more portentous Jolly Roger, which was the desired effect.

Another theory proposes that the leader of a group of Asian pirates was entitled Ali Raja, "king of sea", English pirates appropriated and corrupted the term. A further theory is that the name may derive from the English word "roger", whence "rogue", meaning a wandering vagabond: "Old Roger" was a term for the devil.

In his book "Pirates & The Lost Templar Fleet," David Hatcher Childress claims that the term was coined after the first man to fly the flag, King Roger II of Sicily (c.1095-1154). Roger was a famed Templar who had a public spat with the Pope over his conquests of Apulia and Salerno in 1127. Childress claims that, many years later after the Templars were disbanded by the church, at least one Templar fleet split into four independent fleets that dedicated themselves to pirating ships of any country sympathetic to Rome. The flag was thus an inheritance, and its crossed bones are an obvious reference to the original Templar logo of a red cross with blunted ends
 
Kismet said:
I learn so much stuff while looking up stuff that other folks already know.:o

The origins of the term "Jolly Roger" are unclear.

One theory is that it comes from the French term "joli rouge," ("pretty red") which the English corrupted into "Jolly Roger". This may be likely as there were a series of "red flags" that were feared as much, or more, than "black flags". The origin of the red flag is likely that English privateers flew the red jack by order of the Admiralty in 1694. When the War of Spanish Succession ended in 1714, many privateers turned to piracy and some retained the red flag, as red symbolized blood. No matter how much seamen dreaded the black pirate standard, all prayed they never encountered the joli rouge. This red flag boldly declared the pirates' intentions: no life would be spared. No quarter given, none asked.

The term was subsequently used for the black flag with skull and bones which appeared in use around 1700.


ORP Sokół returning from a World War II patrol flying her Jolly Roger (which traditionally signifies a successful combat mission); and a kill indicated by the swastika flag flownThere is another theory, also using "joli rouge" as the origin for the name. Apparently a Catholic order of fierce warrior monks, known as the "Poor Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon", or Knights Templar, first used the "joli rouge", the red flag. The link between the monks and pirates is provided by the fact that they were fighting for their cause on the open seas, effectively becoming pirates. In combat practice many merchants were surprised when a fast ship changed a fellow national flag for the more portentous Jolly Roger, which was the desired effect.

Another theory proposes that the leader of a group of Asian pirates was entitled Ali Raja, "king of sea", English pirates appropriated and corrupted the term. A further theory is that the name may derive from the English word "roger", whence "rogue", meaning a wandering vagabond: "Old Roger" was a term for the devil.

In his book "Pirates & The Lost Templar Fleet," David Hatcher Childress claims that the term was coined after the first man to fly the flag, King Roger II of Sicily (c.1095-1154). Roger was a famed Templar who had a public spat with the Pope over his conquests of Apulia and Salerno in 1127. Childress claims that, many years later after the Templars were disbanded by the church, at least one Templar fleet split into four independent fleets that dedicated themselves to pirating ships of any country sympathetic to Rome. The flag was thus an inheritance, and its crossed bones are an obvious reference to the original Templar logo of a red cross with blunted ends
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Mine is based on Richard Worley's flag;
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But I also like Jack (John) Rackham's flag, though he weren't fit to shine Sir Henry Morgan's boots, now there was a pirate;
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Kismet said:
In combat practice many merchants were surprised when a fast ship changed a fellow national flag for the more portentous Jolly Roger, which was the desired effect.[/I]
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I have heard that pirate ships would use a fellow national flag until they got close to their prey and then raise the Jolly Roger.

This was known as "showing their true colors."

Hmmmm
 
I loveit Sarge. Homemade saw huh??? You're too damn crafty I tellye. Danburnit!
 
No place to go and no cops to call . I imagine quite a few merchants overloaded their bilge pumps when espying that dreaded flag .
 
Bill Marsh said:
I have heard that pirate ships would use a fellow national flag until they got close to their prey and then raise the Jolly Roger.

This was known as "showing their true colors."

Hmmmm
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Actually, it wasn't just pirates. Nearly all naval vessels practiced this kind of subterfuge during times of war in the 17th and 18th centuries. That is one of the reasons for the great importance of signal flags and signal codes on naval vessels of that era.

They would see an enemy vessel, you run up the colors of that country or the colors of an allied country to try to get close enough to engage. Just before engaging they would run up their "true colors." Thereafter all hell would generally break loose. Patrick O'brian is considered the absolute best writer of maritime historical novels of that time period, and he goes into this in detail in the "Aubry, Martin Novels." The Russel Crowe film "Master and Commander" is based on this series of novels. It seems like this happens in the movie, but I don't remember clearly enough to say for sure. I guess I'll just have to watch it again to make sure. ;)

BTW, sorry if this is drifting too far from topic, but what were the impression of the forumites who saw that movie? I loved it. If you haven't seen it, you should. And the Aubrey, Martin novels are really good reading if you have enough time away from your blades and the forum to read them. But be warned if you do, you're sure to miss some DOD's. :grumpy:

James
 
BTW, sorry if this is drifting too far from topic, but what were the impression of the forumites who saw that movie? I loved it. If you haven't seen it, you should. And the Aubrey, Martin novels are really good reading if you have enough time away from your blades and the forum to read them. But be warned if you do, you're sure to miss some DOD's. :grumpy:

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I have to tell you James its kinda a shallow way to rate a movie . The name and theatrical trailers just took the wind out of my sails . It just seemed a little middle of the road . I guess I should have given it a look . There is very little that is middle of the road about Russel Crowe .
 
Bill Marsh said:
I have heard that pirate ships would use a fellow national flag until they got close to their prey and then raise the Jolly Roger.

This was known as "showing their true colors."

Hmmmm
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Actually, flying the colors of another nation was common practice among naval vessels (as well as merchant vessels trying to avoid becoming a "prize") during times of war in the 17th and 18th centuries. This type of subterfuge was used when a captan spotted and wished to engage another vessel that was believed to be an enemy nation's or, if a merchant vessel, an ally of an enemy nation. The captain would choose the colors that he thought would give him the best chance to attack with the element of surprise, or pass unmolested if he was a merchant or was not up to an engagement and couldn't outrun the vessel in question. The true colors were run up just before engaging in battle. This type of misinformation increased the importance of the signal code books. If another ship flying the same colors couldn't respond to signal flags properly, they were pretty well known to be an enemy.

This aspect of the naval warfare of bygone days is brilliantly depicted in the "Aubrey, Martin" novels by the prolific Irish historical novelist Patrick O'Brian. O'Brian is considered the absolute best historical novelist to write about the ships and the seas of that perion. The movie starring Russel Crow was based on this series of novels, and if my memory serves correctly, there climax of the movie takes place when he disguises his (British) ship as an American whaler. I guess I'll just have to watch it again to be sure. :D It was all about making the enemy think you were someone who you weren't and getting close enough to do him in.

The Patrick O'Brian novels are really good reading, but be warned, if you start reading them you will risk missing out on a bunch of DOD's. And if you are a shark, you may just end up being downgraded to a flounder.

BTW sorry if I'm drifting too far from the topic, but I'd love to hear the opinions of the forumites regarding the blades (or anything else) in that movie. If you haven't seen it you missed a great show. :thumbup: :thumbup:

James
 
"Sharpshooters to the rigging! Pass out the buckets of sand for any spilled blood!," shouted Capt. Avastmatey. "And have the boarding party report to the khukuri locker," he ordered, with a wicked gleam in his eye. "Tonight,we'll count the (______)."


Cap'n. Mike :foot:
Privateer Kookery
 
Sylvrfalcn said:
Dadburn blankety blank yahoo website goofy dust again :mad: Here you go Yvsa, sorry about that. :D

Sarge
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Thanks Sarge! As usual very fine work.:thumbup: :cool: :D

If I may ask where and how did you pick up all the skills to do all the things you do?
And especially being in the service of our country for so long?
I sure wasn't aware of any available shops to do hobby work at when I was in but that still didn't stop me from making a short timer's stick.;)
Somehow/where I found an empty .50 caliber BMG cartridge and then I took one of the double steel hollow tubes out of a locker and the business end of the /50 BMG fit just right in the end of it and the cartridge end fit exactly over the other end. I polished it to an almost mirror sheen and put a red tassle on it. There were several guys who tried to talk me out of it.:D
Just goes to show that where there's a will there's a way.:thumbup: :cool:
 
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