Scrapyard Dogfather Vs. ESEE Junglas, What to Buy?

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snorkem

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I have been doing a lot of research and find myself very puzzled. I am planning on replacing my current outdoors knife(a highly collectible puma hunters friend from the 60s) with a larger knife. I have been trying to decide between the junglas and the dogfather.

Dogfather Pros- costs less, better steel, exceptional warrenty, comfy handles

Junglas pros- easy to sharpen steel, excellent warrenty, what else??/

i am leaning toward the dogfather because it just seems so much better. I dont want to sound like im bashing esee. I love esee products and id love to get a junglas, but it seems to goo to be true, the dogfather costs less, has better steel, ans just seems better. Am i right or am i missing something. Help me decide.
 
junglas has the best sheath system i have seen and there's going to be compatible pouches coming down the line. you need to factor that into the cost. have you seen the video made by rowen bending the junglas an insane angle before snapping in two?
 
Are you refering to the MOLLE sheaths or the kydex, im not sure if MOLLE is still an option althoguh that would add to the cost i believe. Il check out that video, but more then likely i bet the dogfather can do the same thing.
 
Well, your warranties should be listed as essentially the same...though Scrap Yard does not cover intentional damage, while ESEE does.

I am not sure what you mean when you say "better" steel in the DF, but I wouldnt expect the DF to hold an edge much better than the Junglas, if at all. SR77 is known for its toughness...not for its edge retention. I find it is quite easy to sharpen, just like ESEEs 1095.

The DF is going to be tougher and heavier, but the Junglas has nice micarta handles.

The DF doesnt come with a sheath, the Junglas' sheath has been reported by many to be simply excellent.

The DF is a LOT thicker than the Junglas.

Unless you are buying a DF directly from Scrap Yard (which you cannot do unless there is a Ganzaaa or at a show) then you will have to buy a DF on the secondary market, and they are probably going to cost more than the Junglas...and usually still do not come with a sheath.

That said...I have a DF, I do not have a Junglas....yet. It is on the list. You cannot go wrong with either, but the thickness difference makes them two very different knives.
 
Thanks for the info, i didnt even know that you couldnt buy them directly from scrapyard. The big thing for me is the price. i thingk the junglas is something like 160 but if the dogfather is going to be around that price the decision is going to be even harder. 1095 vs SR77 they will both hold an edge abut eqaully. how tough is esee's heat treat on their knives? i dont want to have this knife under performing or chipping, i do a lot of hiking and love being outdoors, my knife never leaves my side and i depend on it for a lot of things. it is the main part of my survival kit, which revolves aroun d the fact that i have a sharp knife, and firestarting materials.

It seems as though the dogfather seems tougher overall, one more thing though, i never factoerd in weight. Does anyone know how much the dogfather weighs compared to the junglas.

The blade thickness is a big factor also i didnt think of, i think i may be leaning towards the junglas now, because I find it a little uncomfortable to use and carry a really big heave knife like that all the time.
 
ESEE Jungalas
$170ish Shipped
3/16ths thick 1095 blade
Better edge retention
Great Sheath
Lighter- better for lighter chopping like vines, etc.
Warranty covers everything

SY Dogfather
$200-$250 shipped
.25 in thick S7 steel
tougher steel
Heavier- better for heavier chopping like wood
Probably no sheath, though you can probably still order them from the scrapyard store for an additional fee.
Warranty covers everything except intentional damage

Both Great choices
 
I think ESEE knives are beautiful, maybe a little bit overpriced for 1095.. but you get the warranty.

I only wish they were convex from the factory
 
Unless you plan on doing a lot of chopping I think either knife is a bit big for what it sounds like you want it for. Have you considered the RC6, or similar?
 
hi, i have the esee junglas and i've used it quite a bit. chops very well and holds an edge great. the kydex sheath comes with a belt loop molle back which is a very nice addition as well as the great warranty. as for how tough it is watch this vid it goes to almost 90 degrees before breaking.
http://www.eseeknives.com/junglastest.AVI

the only scrapyard i have is the regulator i like the handle and not much else about it. i'm going to have it reprofiled to make it useable.

take it easy
cricket
 
snorkem said:
how tough is esee's heat treat on their knives? i dont want to have this knife under performing or chipping, i do a lot of hiking and love being outdoors, my knife never leaves my side and i depend on it for a lot of things.
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i feel the same way and that's why i chose the junglas. i've posted quite a few hiking pics on the esee as well as in the w&ss subforums. you'll see i definitely don't baby my knives and where i frequently hike (harriman state park in ny) there's a lot of iron wood.

it's not 1/4" thick but i've beaten the crap outta it enough that it has earned my trust. i started selling my other knives including the rc-5 because i find that the junglas is just as tough but also feels very nimble in the hand.
 
thanks for all the comments. I do need this knife for heavy chopping because i have a large folder for smaller things and of course i can always stil use my 5 inch puma hunters friend. i think im leaning towards the esee junglas at this point. 250 is a little much to spend, because i havnt really saved up for this purchase. i can get a junglas from katerno for 150 shipped i think
 
I'd go for dog father, check out the exchange you might find some good deals there once in a while.

Another things to consider is handles, the handles on the scrapyard while not the best looking are probably far more comfortable when it comes to absorbing the shock from the chopping.

Also check out the deregulatpr, its slightly shorter, but its $100 you can order it from the website, and its a hell of a knife.

(but what do I know, I just ordered Busse Basic 11)

Also some food for thought, Scrapyard scraper 6, you can see what sr-77 is all about and how well the knife lasts.

http://www.knifetests.com/scrapyardscrapper6test.html
 
Volk said:
I'd go for dog father, check out the exchange you might find some good deals there once in a while.

Another things to consider is handles, the handles on the scrapyard while not the best looking are probably far more comfortable when it comes to absorbing the shock from the chopping.

Also check out the deregulatpr, its slightly shorter, but its $100 you can order it from the website, and its a hell of a knife.

(but what do I know, I just ordered Busse Basic 11)

Also some food for thought, Scrapyard scraper 6, you can see what sr-77 is all about and how well the knife lasts.

http://www.knifetests.com/scrapyardscrapper6test.html
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While it is a tough beast of a knife, it isnt even close to being the same type of knife as either the DF or the Junglas.

I am still struggling with what the hell the Regulator is supposed to be. Mine is still new because of it. I cant think of anything that it will do that the SOD wont do better (for me), besides hold an edge.

The Regulator is a sharp railroad spike with a comfortable handle...not really a chopper.
 
I didn't read all the comments but I think you're somewhat misinformed as well as comparing apples to oranges. The Dogfather is not really cheaper if you figure in the cost of a sheath and/or have to pay second hand prices. They routinely go for $200-$225 without sheaths. If you do find one at a show first hand and then have a sheath made you're looking at a similar price as the Junglas.

IMO the steels are a wash and not as much a factor as the thickness. The weight is a wash also as I think the Dogfather might actually be lighter. Maybe not but they're close. The Junglas (22.5oz) will feel more balanced though as the Dogfather's weight is all up front.

The difference is the Junglas is not near as thick as the Dogfather. If all you want is chopping and a general beast of a knife I'd go with the Dogfather. If you plan on doing any light brush clearing or a wider variety of knife tasks I'd choose the Junglas. They're both great tough knives so you can't go wrong.
 
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Tripton said:
While it is a tough beast of a knife, it isnt even close to being the same type of knife as either the DF or the Junglas.

I am still struggling with what the hell the Regulator is supposed to be. Mine is still new because of it. I cant think of anything that it will do that the SOD wont do better (for me), besides hold an edge.

The Regulator is a sharp railroad spike with a comfortable handle...not really a chopper.
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+1. IMO, the original full flat ground Test Team Regulator and its proginy (the Regulator LE and Regulator DC) are fighters, pure and simple. The sabre ground Military Regulator and Deregulator are too blade heavy to be effective fighters and not blade heavy enough to be effective choppers. And while I find the Regulator handle to be very comfortable, I'm not a big fan of rubber quillions. So I'm also squarely in the "what the hell is the Regulator supposed to be" camp.

Between a Junglas and a Dog Father, I'd recommend the Dog Father. It's a beast of a knife and not nearly as available as the Junglas. If you don't like it, you can always sell it for what you paid for it and buy the Junglas. But once you get your hands on a Dog Father, my guess is that you're not going to want to let it go.

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Dogfather all the way ,I love ESEE but it is a DOGFATHER .The most comfortable handle I have ever used and if you need to chop through a car door you don`t even need a baton. But really if you live in an area where you have native grasses or vines that you might need to cut go with the thinner blade but if you might need to chop up an seasoned cherry tree to stay warm get the dogfather.
 
I guess i just dodged a bullet. I was trying to get one, but forgot about it and bought a folder.
 
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