screw problem

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The folder I am making calls for 0-80 stainless screws on the bolster and 0-80 black anodized screws on the slabs. The shaft of the black screws are .060 while the stainless are .058. I use a #55 drill and tap with an 0-80 tap. The stainless fit great but the black will not fit in the holes. If I try and force them through in order to strip off the oxidization they simply break in the hole. Any suggestions?
Thanks
Steve
 
Normally I'd say drill oversized at the next # drill

But for 0-80 you are using a #55 = .052
most charts call for # 56 .046"
or
.047" 3/64"



Check and make sure the black screws are not metric?
or


go up one more # size to #54 = 055"?

Try it on scrap first ?
 
Generally speaking, the “tightness” or “looseness” of a thread is dictated by the pitch diameter. Measuring the outside dimension of a thread is measuring the major diameter and has zero bearing on the pitch diameter. An example to wrap your head around the concept:

Lets say I have a ¼-20 nut and I want to turn a screw for it on a lathe. I could start with undersized round stock (.240”) and cut shallow threads into it and it would still be too tight to fit the nut, even though the outside measurement is only .240.

On the other end, let’s say the round stock was oversized, (.255”) and I cut really deep threads into it that came to sharp V’s. It might be a loose wobbly fit in that ¼-20 nut even though the major diameter measures .255”.

I just wanted to explain here that measuring the outside diameter of a screw thread usually doesn’t tell you the whole story. And, changing the minor diameter of the tapped hole usually won’t affect the fit of the screw (though it will affect the strength of the threads). When it comes to thread fits, your concern is the pitch diameter, and you’re probably ill equipped to even measure that.

Short answer: the pitch diameters of the aluminum screws probably grew out of specification when they were anodized. You can buy an oversized tap. However, sometimes just running the tap in and out of the hole while putting some weight on the tap will loosen the threaded hole a bit.
 
Might want to get a 0-80 die and chase the threads. This should remove any excess material causing the problems. Unless they are metrics as the Count suggested.
 
When I saw the title "screw problem" I was going to offer a completely different bit of advice.
 
Great minds think alike, Matt. :D

Fortunately, the same advice seems to work in knives as well as it does in ....the other thing: "Practice, practice, practice, and practice some more." ;)

--nathan
 
Steve,
i have some black 0-80 screws that i have used with no problems.
how many do you need ? What length.?
Don
 
Don
Thanks for the offer. I am going to try the 0-80 die first. I already have one so it shouldn't take long to figure out if it will work.
Steve
 
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