seb review / too expensive my eye!

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A guy with a Buck Adrenaline made fun of me today for having such a needlessly expensive knife. I only agreed with the second part, but still felt somewhat accosted. Oddly, he was being much more mean than funny. Not sure what I did to deserve it, or what the heck he did to feel so superior with a Buck Adrenaline. I felt like taking his knife, and using my knife to shave his edge off in little wiry strips. That'd show him. Instead I came here, and did what I love to do when I'm angry. I wrote a review. (I really oughta get myself another punching bag some day...)

The Sebenza is an expensive knife. Too expensive? Don't be crazy.
Some knuts don't believe in such a thing as 'the perfect pocketknife,' but some amongst us do. If you asked those believers what they thought, most of them would tell you that the perfect pocketknife is this one. There are those who say it's not, but they funny thing about them is, they can never seem to agree amongst themselves on what is.
It's a hard thing to hold without liking it. Such a gracefully simple combination of military grade titanium, better steel than they use to make gun barrels, and twenty-odd years of progressive craftsmanship. Weighing in at well under five ounces, the deceptively straightforward design is bursting with innovation. Few other knives, if any, have had such careful consideration payed to so many aspects of its construction, and as a result few knives are so ruthlessly utilitarian. The spine of the blade is rounded, which combined with its geometry enhances tip strength and contributes to the structural integrity of the blade. The surface at the back of the blade which touches the stop pin is rounded, increasing the area of the mating surfaces and producing a tighter lockup. The mating surface of the frame-lock has been treated and hardened so it doesn't wear, preserving lock strength. The oversized phosphor-bronze washers reduce friction between blade and frame, and increase the open knife's lateral strength. In spite of its tenacity, it only has 16 parts, while most tactical folders have between 18 and 30. The weight, the grip, the dimensions, the balance, the liveliness...all of it assembled nearly flawlessly. (The grip is especially astounding - bead blasted titanium, who would've thought?)
It's worth its price. It's earned its price. You wanna talk trash about the Sebenza, be ready to talk trash about every other knife ever made.

I pointed out to this guy that every part of the knife was ingenious, meticulously devised from scratch and continuously refined over the course of two decades. The blade, the frame, the lock...
He cut me off and said no no, the lock wasn't original, that lock is everywhere...
CRK fans will know what I pointed out in turn. :)
He didn't believe me.


(The above is implicitly a tip of the hat. Any percieved insults or 'pot shots' are purely made in jest, and no offense is intended. I respect the views of those less reverent of CRK than some of us. I was just feeling poetic, is all.)
 
Sebenza's ARE expensive. I don't expect non-knife people to understand, though my beat-up small Seb doesn't look so expensive anymore.

It's funny, I don't question people's $500 golf drivers, or $500 cellphone/PDA's, etc. But at least our Sebenza purchases won't leave us wanting for something non-obsolete in a few years.

It's also funny how the older I get the more I realize that there's too many people in the world anyway. ;)

Professor.
 
Sebenza's ARE expensive. I don't expect non-knife people to understand, though my beat-up small Seb doesn't look so expensive anymore.

It's funny, I don't question people's $500 golf drivers, or $500 cellphone/PDA's, etc. But at least our Sebenza purchases won't leave us wanting for something non-obsolete in a few years.

It's also funny how the older I get the more I realize that there's too many people in the world anyway. ;)

Professor.

Well said...bottom line...the guy is a hater and is just plain jealous. Sheesh...does he go around questioning everyone's choice of car, clothes or watch choice?

Tell him to join the local toastmasters or debate club.

Your friend is a bore....I'm off to shave some arm hair with my new sebenza.
 
I've heard this for years over my interest in mechanical watches
being dubbed as snobbery. There are a lot of cheap people who
just don't appreciate well made things, and they are entitled to
opinion as well I suppose. Have to agree to disagree! Most all
of us I would venture to guess do not have the "things" we have
in order impress anyone. It's simple indulgence for one's own
self. That's all that matters, and not what others think so much.
My 2 cents.

That said, within a week of buying my first Sebenza I bought
a second one :-)

Andrew
 
Don't tell people how much your knives cost. Period.
They just don't understand.
Also, I fail to see how more or less parts makes a knife better or worse.
I think a slip joint or lockback probably have many less parts, but I don't consider them better because of this.
 
know what, if you gave him a choice of picking either a Buck or a Sebbie for the same price (say, $50), he'd immediately go for the Sebbie. He just doesn't want to pay for it.

the best part about the Sebbie (sigh...I just sold mine) is how easily it assembles and disassembles. it's the only folder I know that does that. You can completely clean and oil and polish the pb washers by unscrewing one pivot screw. And there's never a need to tweak the blade centering, etc. it's always centered and the pivot always screws all the way in. The bushing system plain ROCKS!
 
I had a sebbie for about three weeks and decided to sell it.

I thought it was a great knife but really didn't 'do it' for me. The bushing system was awesome and I loved disassembling/assembling it. I just didn't feel it was all that valuable for me.

Anyway, take care,
Brett
 
When people tell me the knives I buy are too expensive (usually in the $100-$250 range, although I did just buy a Sebenza for substantially more), I link them to knifeart.com.

Now THOSE are some expensive knives. :)
 
you should have told him that its too bad buck is only a shadow of what they once were,selling cheap low quality imported junk !:barf:
 
Why get into a pi**ing match with a guy who would drive a Skoda and you are driving a Porche?

Not even apples and oranges, his was pure cr*p!
 
It's funny, I don't question people's $500 golf drivers, or $500 cellphone/PDA's, etc. But at least our Sebenza purchases won't leave us wanting for something non-obsolete in a few years.

that agreat comparison...yeah its an expensive knife, but as far as other items go your right, our knives will serve us well for many years! An we will all be happy to use our sebbies 5 years down the line, but everyone knows a 37" flat screen or a iPhone just won't cut it anymore...lol...at least our knives will stand the test of time! :D
 
You had the most difficult task because he did not want a debate he wanted to force his opinion on you. You should have chuckled and wand walked away knowing who the more enlightened man is.
 
I never talk prices when it comes to knives around people whom aren't into them. I really don't want to be bothered trying to explain something that is absolutely not on their radar. That said, I don't talk about my sea kayak(s), bikes, climbing gear, or anything else beyond WalMart quality with most outside my circle of friends whom are into these things. For me, those whom know about the products don't need explanations and I don't bother trying to convince the rest.
 
you should have told him that its too bad buck is only a shadow of what they once were,selling cheap low quality imported junk !:barf:

CR knives are top of the line without a doubt, but you're dead wrong about Buck.

Yes, Buck does sell some inexpensive (cheap) chinese made knives :(, but they still sell the legendary USA made Buck 110.
Yeah, it has 420HC....but it's heat treated by Paul Bos and it holds an edge well enough for most folks....and it cost less than $40.00 dollars.
Not bad for a quality USA made knife.

And if that's not good enough for you, Buck also makes a Buck 110 with 154CM blade-steel (available through BassPro Shop), and the Alaskan Guide Buck 110 with S30V blade-steel (available through Cabela's)....and for less than $66.00 dollars.

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But if you still want alittle more for your money, there's always Buck's Custom Shoppe:
http://www.buckknives.com/custom_knife_shoppe.php

There you can order a really nice Buck 110 like this one:
BG-42 blade-steel, nickle-silver bolsters, and asian water-buffalo horn scales....

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It might not be to your particular taste, but it sure as heck aint "JUNK"!

And don't forget the Buck/Mayo collaborations....
I don't believe Mr. Mayo is going to but his name on "junk".
Do you?

CR knives are great, but so are Buck knives.

Allen
 
Allen, you are correct, and I have owned and used many Buck knives over the years. In fact, a favorite hunting knife is my Buck/Cabela's "Alaskan Guide" Model 692 with an S30V blade. I would say that the tolerances on a Sebenza are tighter than on my Bucks.

Regards,
Ron
 
If you have to explain it in the first place, they probably won't understand why you place value where you do.

This goes for pretty much anything,... cars, watches, knives, clothes, even beer.

Oh, btw... You pretty much summed up my feelings on the Sebenza. Refined simplicity. I will admit though, few things in life are perfect. I could take or leave the choice of steel.

Nice writeup hobo.
 
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