Sebenza Quality !

nyefmaker

Gold Member
Joined
Sep 29, 2008
Messages
6,257
I found this article on the Sebenza from knives journal and thought I would pass it along. Its a good read.

Is a Sebenza worth $300?
Author: Brandon Uhl
A lot of people ask whether or not a Sebenza is worth the money. Never mind that there are many other knives that cost as much, or more. The Sebenza seems to be the standard first “expensive” knife purchase for many people. To determine whether it is worth it (to you) or not, you have to understand why the Sebenza costs what it does.

First of all, Chris Reeve Knives uses a legal form of price fixing to keep the Sebenza prices standardized. While most knife companies allow the dealers to set their own price, the super premium companies (such as CRK, Strider, William Henry) want to maintain their brand identidy. Chris Reeve only supplies knives to licensed dealers, and dealers have to sell the knives at the price that CRK sets. If a dealer undercuts the competition, CRK will not supply them with any more knives. If you compare the MSRP of a Spyderco Manix to the MSRP of a Sebenza, you will see that the price difference is not *THAT* huge. But the Manix sells for a lot less than the MSRP online, while the Sebenza does not. This is why the gap is so large. Does this mean the Sebenza is a rip off? Or does it just mean you pay a premium for a premium knife?

CRK is a small company that produces less volume than bigger companies like Spyderco. Spyderco, Benchmade, Kershaw, Buck etc… all make great knives, but they can charge so little for them because they make so many of them and use more automation than CRK does. CRK has to charge more per knife because they do not make the volume that the bigger companies do. You pay more for smaller production.

And you get a benefit from that. Chris Reeve knives have *MUCH* tighter tolerances than any Kershaw, Buck, Spyderco, or Benchmade. There are more human eyes and hands on the knives during the production process. Manhours cost money. Sebenzas cost so much because real people spend more time hand finishing the knives, and inspecting them. This is why CRK has such flawless quality. There is no perfect Kershaw, Benchmade, Buck, or Spyderco knife. They all have small flaws because they do not have super high quality control. CRK does, and this is why they cost more. Now, I am not saying the bigger companies should have flawless quality control. If they did, they would need to spend more money or more manhours, and the prices would rise to CRK levels.

People always say “A Manix cuts as good or better than a Sebenza, so why pay more?” and it comes down to quality. If you just need a knife that cuts, yes a Manix is awesome. But there are many knives cheaper than a Manix that cut just as well, or better. Why not buy them? The answer is because “knife knuts” do not just want the cheapest knife that will do the job. They want the best knife. And when it comes to quality, the Sebenza is actually a bargain since it is as good or better than many custom-made knives at an equal or lower price.

If you do not want to pay more for flawless quality, don’t. But do understand that the Sebenza offers a feel and precision that no cheaper knife can. Whether you need that or not is up to you. But as someone that has owned a Sebenza, an 806D2, a 710, a Manix, a Military, a Spec Bump, and many other knives that compeat with the Sebenza at a lower price, I can tell you that none of those knives come close to matching the quality of the Sebenza. The difference is very obvious. The Sebenza has perfect grinds, bevels, lock-to-tang mating, an amazing pivot assembly, and is just dead-bolt tight in every aspect. No Spyderco, Buck, Kershaw, or Benchmade is as good. None of them. They are great for the price, but if you want perfection you have to pay more. It all comes down to the manhours spend on the knife.
 
Interesting article, but, make no mistake, Sebenzas can leave the factory flawed. I know, as I've been unfortunate to get a couple duds. One so bad, TNK had me send it back for another so the company could see just how bad one of their knives could be and still get to the market. The one I currently own( the replacement) has been my EDC for about a year and it now has the slightest bit of blade play and the lock bar heat-treatment has chipped off. Granted, I haven't sent it in yet, but of the 4 Sebs I've actually owned to this point, I can't say any of them has been without flaw( I hate the word perfect). Even something as simple as the need to lube the knife after a bit of time has me boggled, truth be told. I mean, my stainless steel Spyderco Rookie, circa 1999, doesn't need to be lubed to keep it running smooth, bu my $300+ Seb does?:confused: No, Spyderco isn't as well finished, but none have needed servicing to the point of sending them in, either.
I really don't like coming off in such a negative way, as I do like my Seb. In fact,I've been EDCing one for over 3 years now(in total), but I still don't get how I'm the only guy who has problems with them.
 
Only the individual purchaser can determine whether a knife is worth the price. Personally, I think my Sebenza is worth every penny. If knives were simply about cutting, I'd be happy with a 20 dollar foreign manufactured knife I have that sports a 154cm blade. It performs and holds an edge well. However, opening the blade is like sliding 90 grit sand paper over a diamond hone.
 
I just picked up my 3rd Sebenza the other day and they are flawless. My first was a Large Regular that was a safe queen since new with BG-42 Steel. It is tight, but its a Quality Tight, if that makes any sense ! My second was a was a Small Regular "vines" that is so smooth and opens so fast, if you did not know it was a Sebenza, you would think it was an Automatic !!!. My third, and newest is a Large Regular "moon song" I picked up on here last week. It is everything the seller said it was. It is Very Smooth and tight as well. The only thing I did to my second and third was reverse the screws. ALL THREE are Everything they are Supposed to be and more. Its hard to tell someone ( especially my wife ) that they are worth it. I Think They Are. I appreciate fine quality and thats what I feel I get when I get a Chris Reeve Knife. To me, this article says it all !!!
 
I think that they ARE worth every penny, at least to me. I currently have 4 Sebbies, and they are all perfect.
 
I have couple of sebbie myself but I wish they would go into the more exotic steels like ZDP, etc..
 
When I bought my first Sebenza, I thought I was crazy for spending that much money on something that seemed so simple but I had to see what all the hype was about. I have many, many knives, from many different makers. Some cost less than the seb, and some quite a bit more.

I can say this without a doubt:

The Sebenza has been worth every penny I spent and more.

4-5 days out of the week, the Sebenza has been in my pocket. I do enjoy carrying other knives, but I haven't found one that feels as good to me as the Seb. I have put that knife through all kinds of chores, and it still locks up rock solid, cuts like a demon, and actually shows very little wear. The only reason I don't have it on me right now, is that I'm currently carrying a new Umnumzaan.

Between my Umfaan, Seb, and Umnum, I think the other knives may get jealous for pocket time. :D

-Dan
 
I cannot get all of them, probably can't get all of them before I leave this world, hopefully a good long time down the road. My micarta models have gone from safe queens to users to special users. Unless Benchmade, Spyderco or a similar company comes out with a model I must have, I am getting along fine with my Ritter Grips and Spyderco Military. Other than those, I will focus on Sebenzas. I just traded into a small classic and small regular.

I'm looking at BG42 lg and sm reg; native American graphic lg and sm classic, 21 or regular; wood classic or 21 lg and sm; Umfaan and last but not least the Umnumzaan. I am not getting these for collectability or with the sole purpose of selling down the road, I most likely will never get all of the ones above. I want them because they are high quality, the warranty is backed up. When I got my first Sebenza, a small micarta model (have a large micarta classic too), someone told me I would get rid of all of my other production folders. I haven't gotten rid of all of them. While I like my Ritter Grips and my Military, they can't measure up to my Sebenzas. Nor are they manufactured to.
 
I've had a couple duds from the factory, but CRK always makes it right on their dime. I would buy with confidence because of my experience with their customer service.
 
i have owned many sebbies. all of them were perfect. i wish i had not sold them, but i know i will have another one soon. crk customer service is top notch.
 
I agree with what SHS said above, I was all about my Benchmade addiction up until the first day I got my paws on a Seb. I started thinking, well I can hold off on getting another Seb until after I pick up a few BMs that I liked (710-801, adding to my M2 collection) Now I find myself concerned only with what wood inlay I want, looking for BG-42, and debating on whether I want an Umnum yet.

These days the BM collection sits in the safe, and I am getting tempted to throw some of it up for sale........ The itch has definately set in and I NEED to scratch!

As with the OP's article, I like my BM knives, I still EDC an 812HS, and play with all my balis, but as far as a quality knife goes, none even come close to the Seb. My mini AFCK has nylon washers, is slightly off center when closed, and has discernable blade play, and several other minor issues that us Seb owners never have to really deal with. I tend to think that knife knuts with OCD would EDC a Sebenza.

I had an issue with the lock bar sticking on my Seb right after I got it. I sent it in to be fixed and to have double silver lugs put on. They ended up replacing the blade for free and its butter smooth now. I also bought that lanyard pin (it was only $5!) and I really like the look of it. All this was done and back to my door in only one week! They are extremely nice and very quick to fix any problems that may arise, and thats why I have jumped ship.
 
Sebbies are worth it to me, but there are A LOT of knives with better ergos, and better steel, and fit that is damn near close to a Sebbie. Some a lot cheaper than a Sebbie. ;)

Just my two cents
 
The Sebenza has set the standard for which many if not all other knives are help up to.
 
Back
Top