Secondary Safety locks alone don't make a folder "hard use "

DocJD

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This video made me cringe a bit . IMO creates a false impression / expectations .

I have this knife and like it . But the blade is quite thin edged and the point is especially fine .

That's great for many uses ...but not for "hard use" serious prying or hammer / baton , emergency survival applications .

These added locks hopefully help prevent accidental lock closure and so may allow some addition uses , but really don't add to the basic structural strength of the knife .
 
DocJD said:
This video made me cringe a bit . IMO creates a false impression / expectations .

I have this knife and like it . But the blade is quite thin edged and the point is especially fine .

That's great for many uses ...but not for "hard use" serious prying or hammer / baton , emergency survival applications .

These added locks hopefully help prevent accidental lock closure and so may allow some addition uses , but really don't add to the basic structural strength of the knife .
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I totally agree with you! I know, right?

For whatever reason, Ruike thinks it is a selling point, and I criticized them for it in this review I did: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/ruike-knives-p127-b.1749735/

To me, it is a gimmick made to sell knives to people that don't know any better. Akin to fixed-blade-like lock strength :eek::p:D;)
 
Pounding on a pocket knife? I know, I know..."What if you were stranded on an island and had to rebuild civilization with just a shoe lace, a fire steel and a Buck 110?" If I ever find myself in an actual doomsday scenario, I will regret not carrying a hard-use folder. But until I'm transported to an alternate universe, I'll just use the correct tool for the job.
 
Use the right tool for the job, and you don't have to worry about a blade lock failing, or breaking the blade.

Use a folding knife properly, and you don't need a lock. The normal cutting action forces the blade open - not closed.

A knife is a cutting and slicing tool. They are not designed or intended to pry, turn a screw, or split a log.
 
afishhunter said:
Use the right tool for the job, and you don't have to worry about a blade lock failing, or breaking the blade.

Use a folding knife properly, and you don't need a lock. The normal cutting action forces the blade open - not closed.

A knife is a cutting and slicing tool. They are not designed or intended to pry, turn a screw, or split a log.
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What about stabbing?
 
These guys have used a folder for stabbing for centuries. No problem, just skills.
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I mean, the lock doesn't fail with batoning. I wouldn't use a folder to baton, but the Beta lock seems to do its job there. And 14c28n is pretty darn tough for a stainless steel. Yeah, all that toughness is likely unneeded is a folder, but it seems to achieve its intended goal in the video, which is to survive batoning, and thus encourage the consumer who is into that sort of thing to buy it. I'm sure there are plenty out there.
 
jux t said:
What about stabbing?
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fork, pick/solo chopstick, or shank.

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Also spear, sword/cutlass, bullet, halberd, dagger, lance, Sgan Dubh, pike, arrows, and needle.

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Oh yeah, screwdriver and a lady's stiletto shoe/boot heel.
 
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I have a Lionsteel with the same idea for the lock which I think they call it the rotolock? I've actually never had to use the extra locking feature. My friend who I got the knife from actually did use the knife in hard use situations because he works in a tire shop, and was cutting into tires all day with it. But even then I don't think he was using it either.
 
Here's a side by side with a more "hard use" wedge / pry type tip .

The full spine thickness extends out to within about 3/8 " of the tip .

 
I’m mostly indifferent about them, but I won’t go out of my way to grab one. I prefer proven locks like lockbacks or framelocks.
 
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