See The Future...... CyberKnife Ad....

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As it will be seen on Blade Magazine April Y2k...
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I guess that the as has all the info you guys need!


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Joel Pirela
Graphic & Knife Designer

 
Sweet ad Joel!

I am doing an article for Camillus in next months issue. Can you send the .psd (flat of course) for the article? I am sure Will will ok it.

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Hi Mike!

You can grab this one for the online magazine, if Will authorize it of course!
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Joel Pirela
Graphic & Knife Designer

 
Go for it Mikey! You have my 'offical' permisson. Thanks for including it!

Joel, what can I say....You da ad MAN!!!!! If ANYONE out there needs a good knife ad, Joel is the top of the short list!

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Stay Sharp!
Will Fennell
Camillus Cutlery


 
Looks real nice; but, if the circuit boards are pre printed they may contain lead (toxic) - probably not a good idea for a using knife. Please exercise caution.
 
Well, everybody has a right to their own opinion and "a chaucon a son gout" (more or less) but I think the knife is ugly looking. The ad layout is eye catching and will no doubt serve the intended purpose... and sell a bunch of knives... but none for me thanks!

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Dances with lemmings

 
Will,

Keep in mind that you can have circuit boards printed with your own design pretty cheap. That would look cool with the CUDA logo in Gold!

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Thank you, Fracmaster, you speak my mind. But, at least thay got away from basic black!

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Walk in the Light,
Hugh Fuller

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not2sharp,

You shouldn't worry about lead in current production printed circuit boards since lead usually isn't used any more. Newer technology printed wiring boards (the more accurate term) contain copper, palladium and tin as metals. Exposure to hazardous concentrations of these materials from the boards might occur if you melted the metal to produce a fume or took a high-speed grinder to them without using adequate ventilation. Since the board material used is new, not recycled, I'd think they're of the new non-lead variety. See the Camapaign for Responsible Technology report to the EPA on the electronics industry @ www.svtc.org/svtc/dfe.htm for further information.

Even if the boards are the older lead-containing solder you're looking at less than 45% lead in the alloy used and the remainder primarily tin. That reads like pewter. Fairly hard wear resistant alloy. While not suitable for drinking acidic beverages from it's not a problem for handling. The coatings provided to the surface of printed wiring boards further protects the user.

I'd say the only thing hazardous about handling this knife is having friends who ask to borrow it getting cut by it.

Take care,

Mike

P.S. - hso stands for Health and Safety Officer.

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TANSTAAFL

[This message has been edited by hso (edited 27 December 1999).]

[This message has been edited by hso (edited 27 December 1999).]

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HSO,

The board looks recycled from something. Part of the answer would depend on where they got the boards and when in the production process they were scraped.

Well, at least if its a fighter, we'll let the other guy worry about complications. I'll just look around and try to find one with my company's logo.
 
not2sharp,
I remember that the same questions were asked of the vendor that supplies the circiut boards, and our production people recieved satifying answers. I don't remember the particulars off the top of my head[just being honest], but when the rest of the CAMILLUS factory returns from holiday shutdown Jan. 3, I'll get an answer for you.

The short version is that the boards are of more 'recent' origin, and that seemed to satisfy all the questions we had at that time. Sorry I don't have more details now, but I know where to get them next week.

Thanks for your interest.

Man, I love that ad,....Joel is the MAN!

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Stay Sharp!
Will Fennell
Camillus Cutlery


 
not2

I don't think the boards are recycled for the following reasons.

1. There are no component holes or bumps, those pointy little peaks where the component was soldered into it's place.

2. Recycled boards would require a lot of handling to remove components that would be uncomfortable to the hand and would therefore increase the cost of production.

3. Recycled board availabiltiy would be unreliable compared to new board and therefore wouldn't be suitable for a product expected to be produced on a schedule and in the thousands.

4. Recycled board would be more difficult to
to get in consistent sizes for ease of
production. A manufacture needs to have
the same product each time every time for automated equipment to be used. I don't
think scrap dealers sort their boards
that throughly.

The first point is the only one that isn't an assumption for the Cyber Knife, but I think it's probably the most telling.

Take care,

Mike



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Mike,

They are recycled boards. There is a large after market for this. Every one of these knifes are different. Here is link to a site that sells all kinds of circuit board products.http://www.computergear.com/computergear/
I have been making scales like this myself for a while. It is no hard to remove chips and smooth board.


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Drac Noroc

"But if I ran the zoo,"
Said young Gerald McGrew,
"I'd make a few changes.
That's just what I'd do..." Seuss

AKTI # BA00013


 
Lets just hope they are Y2K compliant.

rk

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Drac,

Thanks for the information. I had seen the sight last night while researching my response to not2sharp. Realgoods had carried recycled pc board clip boards and note pads in previous editions of their catalogue and so has The Nature Company. I've even thought about getting one of the clip boards, but was deterred by the predictability of my having one.

Regardless, I'm curious why you think the Cyberknife scales are recycled? I agree each knife would be different if the scales were made of recycled board since you'd have so many different types and manufacturers' of boards, but you'd get a large variety of patterns from using the same sheet of pc board over and over again. The variety of sizes and configurations in recycled board is one of the reasons that I assume Camillus would need to use new boards all of the same size and shape for computer controlled water jet cutting. Of course, I'm assuming water jet cutting is being used to mass produce the scales. I'm beginning to get into too many assumptions and that can lead to trouble. For the sake of accuracy I guess I'm going to have to abandon my assumptions and avoid any further conjecture on my part and await Will's report on the boards used.

What I do know is that the extrudable solder used comes in leaded and lead-free forms. The lead-free forms use palladium, tin, and copper alloys. The leaded forms use lead and tin alloys. The lead in the leaded forms ranges anywere from less than 50% to less than 40% of the alloy in the MSDSs that I scanned last night. Such alloys should be safe to handle as long as you don't high-speed grind or torch large quantities of the material without adequate ventilation. As to the whether the boards themselves are recycled, lead-free, or leaded I've got to wait for Will to tell us.

Take care,

Mike



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