Seeking entry-level belt grinder advice

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Hi, I’m seeking advice as to options of 2x72 belt grinders. I’m going to buy one to make scrapers for my leather business and I am unfamiliar with the best brands and what specs to look for.

The tools that will be made are from 304 stainless steel, 5/16th thick. They are like a wood planer blades, 14” long and 1” wide.

I want to get a grinder that can put a bevel on one side and will be comfortable for a beginner to work with. I’ve been recommended to Brodbeck and Origin brands. I know a bevel table/plate is a must.

Any experienced suggestions and recommendations?

Thank you
 
You could look up torus cnc they have a decent price on an entry level grinder... Otherwise I would consider getting the reeder grinder chassis and getting the other parts on my own. (motor from ebay & Chinese vfd)
 
Welcome to Shop Talk. Fill out your profile so we know where you live and a bit about you. It helps with better answers and offers of assistance.

Honestly, if all you will ever do is make scrapers, I would just get a 1X30 with a side disc from HF. Or, find a maker near you and do them at his shop.
Heck, you could do it with a DMP stone and some wet-or-dry papers and a granite surface plate. The whole setup wouldn't run more than $50.

Second question - Why use 304? It is austenitic and can't be hardened. If you want better scrapers use AEB-L. I will have to be heat treated to harden it unless you buy it in a pre-hardened state.
 
You could look up torus cnc they have a decent price on an entry level grinder... Otherwise I would consider getting the reeder grinder chassis and getting the other parts on my own. (motor from ebay & Chinese vfd)
Thanks that company seems like a great small outfit.
 
Yep, that's the 1X30" grinder and it will work good for sharpening, and even some shaping. You might look at the next step from from the $55 belt only to the belt and disk shown as sku #69033 - just enter that number in the HF search bar and it should pop up.

Most of think of sharp blades for leather work, but you did say scrapper, so perhaps it doesn't have to be sharp and is why 304SS is working so good for you. I expect you're able to get the 304 metal for almost nothing? "IF" they are a planer blade, then I would not expect them to be 304 SS.
 
304 is not hardenable. While it would work, any martensitic stainless would be a better choice. An unhardened edge will microscopically round fast and not scrape as cleanly or efficiently. This will require constant burnishing of the edge to keep a slight burr and regular re-flattening of teh edge to create a new burr.
AEB-L, CPM154, 440C would all be cheap and easy.

You can get the bar hardened by many knifemakers. I'm sure several folks here would be glad to do it for you. You didn't fill out your profile, so we don't know where you live, but someone local might be glad to harden a bar and give it to you.

I have made quite a few scrapers/fleshers. I usually use 1095 or W2 for the Buckskinner folks because it is traditional patina. I harden the bar and then grind the edge bevels. For stainless I use 440C or CPM-154 (or any bar of stainless I have sitting around that's the right size).
For folks who want a cheap scraper, they often use old planer blades, as the blades can be found for free from woodworkers. In either case the blade is from a hardened steel.
A really good choice is an old draw knife from a yard sale. They are almost always some steel like W2. You can often find one at a yard sale for $1 with a missing handle. All you need to do is regrind the edge and fix the handle. I have re-forged the handle tangs to be at a lesser angle for use as a scraper. You can make the handles from fancy wood on the lathe, or an old tee-shirt and duct tape .... they would both do the same job.


The way I make them is to take a 16" straight bar of steel and flatten/clean all sides to 120 grit. I round both ends so they are smooth and sharpen the middle 8" section on the top and bottom edges at negative 1°. Just barely tilt the bar back from vertical and make a few passes ... done! You can use a fine stone and/or a hone to make it very smooth and create a crisp edge if you want, but 120 grit does just fine and takes only seconds to restore on the grinder.
They call it a 91° edge because you use the side with the forward edge exposed. You don't need to be all that critical about what the angle actually is, just that it has a very slight angle to both narrow sides. 91° to 100° will all work fine. You want this style edge as clean and smooth as possible with no rounding. This allows the flesher to be scraped along the wet hide with no chance of digging in, but grabs all the flesh and such cleanly to remove it and clean the hide. You can experiment with grinding the edges at angles up to 100° to see what works best for your style of fleshing. It is nice to have one edge at 91° and the opposite one at 95° to 100°. This allows more aggressive work at a thick area or a place with extra flesh still attached.

If you can't find a nearby knifemaker or get what you need and want a hardened and beveled bar, I'd be glad to make you one and send it to you if you are in the 48 states.
 
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304 is not hardenable. While it would work, any martensitic stainless would be a better choice. An unhardened edge will microscopically round fast and not scrape as cleanly or efficiently. This will require constant burnishing of the edge to keep a slight burr and regular re-flattening of teh edge to create a new burr.
AEB-L, CPM154, 440C would all be cheap and easy.

You can get the bar hardened by many knifemakers. I'm sure several folks here would be glad to do it for you. You didn't fill out your profile, so we don't know where you live, but someone local might be glad to harden a bar and give it to you.

I have made quite a few scrapers/fleshers. I usually use 1095 or W2 for the Buckskinner folks because it is traditional patina. I harden the bar and then grind the edge bevels. For stainless I use 440C or CPM-154 (or any bar of stainless I have sitting around that's the right size).
For folks who want a cheap scraper, they often use old planer blades, as the blades can be found for free from woodworkers. In either case the blade is from a hardened steel.
A really good choice is an old draw knife from a yard sale. They are almost always some steel like W2. You can often find one at a yard sale for $1 with a missing handle. All you need to do is regrind the edge and fix the handle. I have re-forged the handle tangs to be at a lesser angle for use as a scraper. You can make the handles from fancy wood on the lathe, or an old tee-shirt and duct tape .... they would both do the same job.


The way I make them is to take a 16" straight bar of steel and flatten/clean all sides to 120 grit. I round both ends so they are smooth and sharpen the middle 8" section on the top and bottom edges at negative 1°. Just barely tilt the bar back from vertical and make a few passes ... done! You can use a fine stone and/or a hone to make it very smooth and create a crisp edge if you want, but 120 grit does just fine and takes only seconds to restore on the grinder.
They call it a 91° edge because you use the side with the forward edge exposed. You don't need to be all that critical about what the angle actually is, just that it has a very slight angle to both narrow sides. 9° to 100° will all work fine. You want this style edge as clean and smooth as possible with no rounding. This allows the flesher to be scraped along the wet hide with no chance of digging in, but grabs all the flesh and such cleanly to remove it and clean the hide. You can experiment with grinding the edges at angles up to 100° to see what works best for your style of fleshing. It is nice to have one edge at 91L and the opposite one at 95° to 100°. This allows more aggressive work at a thick area or a place with extra flesh still attached.

If you can't find a nearby knifemaker or get what you need and want a hardened and beveled bar, I'd be glad to make you one and send it to you if you are in the 48 states.
Hi Stacy, I typically order 120 of these tools per year and my maker is retiring. I plan to take over making them myself, hence the machine talk. I make the handles. If you're interested in making two to three batches in the interim between my maker's retiring and my learning on a machine, I would happy to chat more. Feel free to email me at kerrm88@gmail.com.
 
I "finally" found where ya'll are located Brentwood Bay, BC, Canada. Even looking thru the website I had to dig some to find the location. Since these are used for scraping hides, I suspect they don't have to be very sharp?

As a FYI a decent 2X72 grinder is going to cost in the range of $1500 to $3000 USD so do consider that when thinking about purchasing a grinder.
 
Hi Ken, the company has several locations. I'm in Montana at the moment and this is where I do my toolmaking and other work. I don't know how to update my profile on here, feel free to send suggestions if you'd like.

The tools in question are dull, yes. It is extremely important they do not have the ability to cut. Appreciate the input.
 
I would check out the new Grizzly T32459 variable speed 2” x 42” that was recently released. Seems like it would be a pretty dang capable entry level grinder for the price. The fact that it can be used horizontal, or vertically is pretty sweet. A lower minimum speed would be nice... But what can you expect at that price?

I actually ordered one a couple of days ago to use as a backup grinder for squaring stabilized blocks, and rounding off the corners of Micarta scales for presentation. I'm tired of dragging the Reeder/dust collection out of the shop all the time. 😂
 
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I'm impressed (for the price) with that item # T32459 grinder (just do a google search on the item number) at the price. I suspect if the drive wheel could be changed for a smaller wheel it would really be good. Who wants 6693 SFPM in a grinder like that? From the photos the drive wheel is about the same diameter as the motor so could be less.

Brian, let us know how well you like it when after using it a bit - perhaps a nice review?
 
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I would check out the Grizzly 2" x 42" variable speed grinder they just put out. Seems like it would be a pretty dang capable entry level grinder for the price. The fact that it can be used horizontal, or vertically is pretty sweet. A lower minimum speed would be nice... But I mean... $300.

I actually ordered one a couple of days ago to use as a backup grinder for squaring stabilized blocks, and rounding off the corners of Micarta scales for presentation. I'm tired of dragging the Reeder/dust collection out of the shop all the time. 😂
Thank you!
 
I actually ordered one a couple of days ago to use as a backup grinder for squaring stabilized blocks, and rounding off the corners of Micarta scales for presentation. I'm tired of dragging the Reeder/dust collection out of the shop all the time. 😂
I was about to suggest that one! It looks pretty sweet for the money. Honestly if they had that when I first built my 2x72, I'd probably still be rocking with it.
 
304 is not hardenable. While it would work, any martensitic stainless would be a better choice. An unhardened edge will microscopically round fast and not scrape as cleanly or efficiently. This will require constant burnishing of the edge to keep a slight burr and regular re-flattening of teh edge to create a new burr.
AEB-L, CPM154, 440C would all be cheap and easy.

You can get the bar hardened by many knifemakers. I'm sure several folks here would be glad to do it for you. You didn't fill out your profile, so we don't know where you live, but someone local might be glad to harden a bar and give it to you.

I have made quite a few scrapers/fleshers. I usually use 1095 or W2 for the Buckskinner folks because it is traditional patina. I harden the bar and then grind the edge bevels. For stainless I use 440C or CPM-154 (or any bar of stainless I have sitting around that's the right size).
For folks who want a cheap scraper, they often use old planer blades, as the blades can be found for free from woodworkers. In either case the blade is from a hardened steel.
A really good choice is an old draw knife from a yard sale. They are almost always some steel like W2. You can often find one at a yard sale for $1 with a missing handle. All you need to do is regrind the edge and fix the handle. I have re-forged the handle tangs to be at a lesser angle for use as a scraper. You can make the handles from fancy wood on the lathe, or an old tee-shirt and duct tape .... they would both do the same job.


The way I make them is to take a 16" straight bar of steel and flatten/clean all sides to 120 grit. I round both ends so they are smooth and sharpen the middle 8" section on the top and bottom edges at negative 1°. Just barely tilt the bar back from vertical and make a few passes ... done! You can use a fine stone and/or a hone to make it very smooth and create a crisp edge if you want, but 120 grit does just fine and takes only seconds to restore on the grinder.
They call it a 91° edge because you use the side with the forward edge exposed. You don't need to be all that critical about what the angle actually is, just that it has a very slight angle to both narrow sides. 91° to 100° will all work fine. You want this style edge as clean and smooth as possible with no rounding. This allows the flesher to be scraped along the wet hide with no chance of digging in, but grabs all the flesh and such cleanly to remove it and clean the hide. You can experiment with grinding the edges at angles up to 100° to see what works best for your style of fleshing. It is nice to have one edge at 91L and the opposite one at 95° to 100°. This allows more aggressive work at a thick area or a place with extra flesh still attached.

If you can't find a nearby knifemaker or get what you need and want a hardened and beveled bar, I'd be glad to make you one and send it to you if you are in the 48 states.
HI Stacey, I'd still love to order from you if that offer still stands!
 
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