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Am I correct? If so, is this due more to a preference by Khukuri buyers or Kamis, or is it more of a supply and demand thing?
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Seems like there is a general move towards steel fittings...
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I would love to see more stuff in steel. However, i'd like it to be actual steel fittings. I have a couple of "steel" pieces that have been "white metal". This is fine if you like to keep your khuks shiny, but i like to blue or dull down the steel to a fine gray. the white metal doesn't etch as well as the steel.
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Steely_Gunz said:
What's 'white metal'?
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I don't think so. I figure that there's just more village models offered as of late. Plus Sgt. Karka only seems to make stuff with the "white metal" furniture. The regular HI stuff seems to still be brass.
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If popular opinion counts for anything, I fully support the move towards steel fittings. Think it looks nicer, maybe even a little 'meaner.'
I emailed UB about some steel fitted sirupati's, even villagers, but to no avail. So, a pair of brass ones on the way ...
I'm curious too, about 'white metal.' Don't have a clue what it is.
~ Bamboo ~
I emailed UB about some steel fitted sirupati's, even villagers, but to no avail. So, a pair of brass ones on the way ...
I'm curious too, about 'white metal.' Don't have a clue what it is.
~ Bamboo ~
Some of you guys won't rest until we have SS fittings, plastic grips, and blackened metal blades.
For all the crying about the Habaki bolster, it would be very difficult to assign more blade failures to that style than the traditional. More difficult to eliminate the variables, anyway, such as Kami laziness or Maoist uprisings.
munk
For all the crying about the Habaki bolster, it would be very difficult to assign more blade failures to that style than the traditional. More difficult to eliminate the variables, anyway, such as Kami laziness or Maoist uprisings.
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munk said:
Heh. Good point. I'm happy with the brass on some Khuks and the white stuff on others. For me it's more style than function. I like the colour juxtaposition between silver and walnut.
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munk?
Do you think it is possible? Wow!
A "Tactical" khukuri !...
Why, the Ghurka could become world reknown for their terrifying prowess with khuks and ferocity...er...uh... hmmmm.
Nevermind.
Might just be that because the steel look different, that they are currently more eye-catching, like redheads. I know my eyes are immediately drawn to the antler-handled offerings these days.
BTW, have you taken a picture of your kid on the frozen carpet yet? I'd like to see an image of him and Mount Floodmore. Be priceless and memorable when he's all grown up and snotty.
Do you think it is possible? Wow!
A "Tactical" khukuri !...
Why, the Ghurka could become world reknown for their terrifying prowess with khuks and ferocity...er...uh... hmmmm.
Nevermind.
Might just be that because the steel look different, that they are currently more eye-catching, like redheads. I know my eyes are immediately drawn to the antler-handled offerings these days.
BTW, have you taken a picture of your kid on the frozen carpet yet? I'd like to see an image of him and Mount Floodmore.
Be priceless and memorable when he's all grown up and snotty.
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One issue with the "Habaki" bolster arises if the sides of the flat (extended) part of the bolster are wider at the handle end than the blade end - creating a wedge shape. The knife can want to oooze out of the scabbard like a wet watermellon seed being squeezed between your fingers, until all of the bolster is out of the sheath, leaving the knife loose in the scabbard.
If the sides of the flat part of the habaki polster are parallel, no such problem.
If the bolster is conventional, the fit is between blade and the scabbard mouth,and, the blade sides being pretty parallel, no such problem.
(Munk, none of the "upgrades" you have suggested are likely, are they? )
If the sides of the flat part of the habaki polster are parallel, no such problem.
If the bolster is conventional, the fit is between blade and the scabbard mouth,and, the blade sides being pretty parallel, no such problem.
(Munk, none of the "upgrades" you have suggested are likely, are they?
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I'm not exactly sure what white metal is, but if you haven't seen it up close it has the look and feel of something with nickle in it. i dunno if it does, but it feels like it. I also like steel because it seems to take a beating a little better than brass. At least that's the case on my villager model that kumar made.
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I think what you're saying Thomas is that if the Habaki bolster area between the tang proper and the blade is not supported by sufficient laha it is weakened through use and may break.
The khuk is tactical by design, though I'm surprised no one's called for a one peice steel model, the all metal grip with finger grooves that you could cord wrap if so desired.
And for all the laughter on the subject, the Cho really should be able to open bottle caps....or cans
munk
The khuk is tactical by design, though I'm surprised no one's called for a one peice steel model, the all metal grip with finger grooves that you could cord wrap if so desired.
And for all the laughter on the subject, the Cho really should be able to open bottle caps....or cans
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White metal is nickle silver, no? - it's come up before in the archives. I like the look with wood or horn- it won't tarnish rapidly.
Brass is beautiful when it's shiny- for a day! Gotta Blitz-cloth it regularly. Yvsa mentioned I could polyurathane or laquer over shiny brass- I'm gonna try it.
As far as a trend, who knows. Maybe we're getting it from reading & re-reading those Foxy Folly specs.... ummmm, that will be a khuk. Like a M-43 with fullers- but not nearly so heavy. Wonder if Kumar will make them. Sher is still on leave, right?
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Brass is beautiful when it's shiny- for a day! Gotta Blitz-cloth it regularly. Yvsa mentioned I could polyurathane or laquer over shiny brass- I'm gonna try it.
As far as a trend, who knows. Maybe we're getting it from reading & re-reading those Foxy Folly specs.... ummmm, that will be a khuk. Like a M-43 with fullers- but not nearly so heavy. Wonder if Kumar will make them. Sher is still on leave, right?
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munk said:
Nope, munc. I'm saying that if the sides of the extended part of the habaki bolster are not parallel and form a wedge wider towards the handle than towards the blade, the extended part of the bolster (under the pressure of the scabbard mouth) can pop out of the scabbard on its own, leaving the knife loose in the scabbard.
In my case it's a Kumar Karda, and I'm working with water and wedges to widen the scabbard mouth. If that doesn't work, I'll put the extended part of the brass habaki bolster in a vise, wrap the bolster in cloth, and try to "make" the sides parallel. (One of my cats would sit and watch the knife moving slowly out of the scabbard - pawing at it from time to time to see if it was really "alive.")
As for the cho and bottle caps, munc you have to get out more. The bottle cap problem was solved, oh, twenty-yarn ago.
[That's "yarn" to those who know. ]
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Women and lipstick go together like kids and sticky fingers. They get it all over the place. The better half gives me a smooch before i head off to work. i'm greeted at the office with chuckles from my employees as i find that my own lips are now plump petals #5 of whatever flavor of the week she is wearing. They get it all over the wine glasses too. it's like that's how they mark their own glasses at parties. They are color coded for their germ protection. The thing i hate the most is lipstick on straws. Nothing like sitting in a movie theater and taking a drink only to find that it tastes like pepsi and chapstickmunk said:
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From my book files:
Where 10 percent or more by weight of the base metal in an article of hollow ware is pure nickel, such base metal may be identified with the following expressions:
"nickel-silver".
"nickel-argent".
"N.S.".
Where 90 percent or more by weight of the base metal in an article of hollow ware is tin, such base metal may be identified with the following expressions:
"britannia metal".
"métal anglais".
"white metal".
"métal blanc".
"B.M.".
"W.M."."
At the same time:
"White Metal Alloy -- For jewelers, white metal (babbit) alloy is tin and antimony."
"White Metal: alloys usually containing antimony alloyed with Tin, Copper or Lead"
"Pewter includes any of the numerous silver-gray alloys of tin with various amounts of antimony, copper and sometimes lead. Because of health hazards, lead is seldom used in pewter today. Pot metal and white metal are terms for tin-based alloys used in low temperature casting of costume jewelry components. White metal castings are usually three-dimensional rather than flat and are often plated. The exact composition of white metal varies, because each casting foundry and shop uses its own proprietary formula."
"White Metal Alloy
A name given to a range of alloys usually containing antimony alloyed with tin, copper or lead to produce a white silvery metal used in the manufacture of medallions."
"pot metal - an alloy of copper and lead used especially for making large pots"
"Gray metal also called white metal: a general term designating various soft metals. The most consistent ingrediants are lead, tin, cadmium & bismuth. Commonly known as pot metal, moderately corrosion resistant."
"Secondary tin is recovered from high tin alloys such as pewter, white metal bearing alloys and solder by fire refining methods. The principal alloying elements, which may need to be removed when refining scrap, are antimony, arsenic, copper, iron, lead and nickel."
"looking for this composition, as far as I know pot metal is a zinc based alloy. I also think it is a American word ............ I found an old reference to an alloy called Bidery metal (from Hyderabad, India) containing 90% zinc with a balance of tin, copper and lead."
"whereby molten lead alloy is poured into mold, which is then inverted leaving a thin layer of cooling metal adhering to its surface. Pot metal toys, as they are commonly called,"
Basicly summed up by:
"Pot Metal: Any alloys which do not have gold, silver, or platinum as a component. Also called White Metal"
Or base metal.
"White Metal: Any combination of alloys of nonprecious metals such as lead and tin. Also called "Pot Metal"."
And:
"The term "pot metal" has historically been used to name a mixture of unquantified, low-melting point metals (including, usually, tin) that have been used for casting small objects.
White metal is usually 92 percent tin (Sn) and 8 percent antimony (Sb). This is the "pot metal" mentioned above."
"Base metal, pot metal, white metal
Any combination of alloys of non-precious metals."
"the use of a white metal alloy of aluminium,"
So, almost, whatever scrap metal is available to melt together.
And if that's not enough:
"Low grade cast iron is often referred to as "pot metal"."
With specific reference to India & Nepal I found:
"The age-old art of creating utility objects using silver has evolved into the making of similar creations of white metal. The internal structure of the object is made using wood and then wrapped with sheets of oxidized white metal (German silver)"
"White metal can be tin and aluminum alloys, is very light weight, has a green, whitish cast, and breaks easily. It does not polish up like silver, nor really look like silver to the trained eye. Much of the new costume and market ethnic jewelry is made with white metal. These cheap metal alloys can also dipped into a silver metallic paint, which is shiny when new and pretended to be silver by the manufacturers and the subsequent sellers."
Also references to white metal sheet sometimes laminated over a thin plate of steel to provide strength. So, the outside would be white metal,
but it would test magnetic.
Where 10 percent or more by weight of the base metal in an article of hollow ware is pure nickel, such base metal may be identified with the following expressions:
"nickel-silver".
"nickel-argent".
"N.S.".
Where 90 percent or more by weight of the base metal in an article of hollow ware is tin, such base metal may be identified with the following expressions:
"britannia metal".
"métal anglais".
"white metal".
"métal blanc".
"B.M.".
"W.M."."
At the same time:
"White Metal Alloy -- For jewelers, white metal (babbit) alloy is tin and antimony."
"White Metal: alloys usually containing antimony alloyed with Tin, Copper or Lead"
"Pewter includes any of the numerous silver-gray alloys of tin with various amounts of antimony, copper and sometimes lead. Because of health hazards, lead is seldom used in pewter today. Pot metal and white metal are terms for tin-based alloys used in low temperature casting of costume jewelry components. White metal castings are usually three-dimensional rather than flat and are often plated. The exact composition of white metal varies, because each casting foundry and shop uses its own proprietary formula."
"White Metal Alloy
A name given to a range of alloys usually containing antimony alloyed with tin, copper or lead to produce a white silvery metal used in the manufacture of medallions."
"pot metal - an alloy of copper and lead used especially for making large pots"
"Gray metal also called white metal: a general term designating various soft metals. The most consistent ingrediants are lead, tin, cadmium & bismuth. Commonly known as pot metal, moderately corrosion resistant."
"Secondary tin is recovered from high tin alloys such as pewter, white metal bearing alloys and solder by fire refining methods. The principal alloying elements, which may need to be removed when refining scrap, are antimony, arsenic, copper, iron, lead and nickel."
"looking for this composition, as far as I know pot metal is a zinc based alloy. I also think it is a American word ............ I found an old reference to an alloy called Bidery metal (from Hyderabad, India) containing 90% zinc with a balance of tin, copper and lead."
"whereby molten lead alloy is poured into mold, which is then inverted leaving a thin layer of cooling metal adhering to its surface. Pot metal toys, as they are commonly called,"
Basicly summed up by:
"Pot Metal: Any alloys which do not have gold, silver, or platinum as a component. Also called White Metal"
Or base metal.
"White Metal: Any combination of alloys of nonprecious metals such as lead and tin. Also called "Pot Metal"."
And:
"The term "pot metal" has historically been used to name a mixture of unquantified, low-melting point metals (including, usually, tin) that have been used for casting small objects.
White metal is usually 92 percent tin (Sn) and 8 percent antimony (Sb). This is the "pot metal" mentioned above."
"Base metal, pot metal, white metal
Any combination of alloys of non-precious metals."
"the use of a white metal alloy of aluminium,"
So, almost, whatever scrap metal is available to melt together.
And if that's not enough:
"Low grade cast iron is often referred to as "pot metal"."
With specific reference to India & Nepal I found:
"The age-old art of creating utility objects using silver has evolved into the making of similar creations of white metal. The internal structure of the object is made using wood and then wrapped with sheets of oxidized white metal (German silver)"
"White metal can be tin and aluminum alloys, is very light weight, has a green, whitish cast, and breaks easily. It does not polish up like silver, nor really look like silver to the trained eye. Much of the new costume and market ethnic jewelry is made with white metal. These cheap metal alloys can also dipped into a silver metallic paint, which is shiny when new and pretended to be silver by the manufacturers and the subsequent sellers."
Also references to white metal sheet sometimes laminated over a thin plate of steel to provide strength. So, the outside would be white metal,
but it would test magnetic.