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BaliSean

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I carry my knife for fun and to have something to play with as well as to have a good tool. I really would not consider taking it out in a fight, because it would probably be taken from me and used on me. This is coming from a guy who has never been trained to fight nor has he ever been in a fight. I am just wondering how many people here have had to use your knife? How was that experience? Did it help? Has anyone had their knife taken and used on them? Just curious.

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Sean :)
If it dont kill ya, it can only help ya.
 
I have pulled my balisong before against a guy WITH a balisong.
**WARNING** I do not condone this NOR reccomend it this is what I did it is NOT a suggestion
Anyway, I noticed he had a real sloppy and simple opening draw. Seeing this, Ipulled my balisong and did what was then called an icepick (safe handle open downward, rotate the handle 2 complete times, and ricochet off the knuckles to a standard grip)
I cycled the knife (opened and closed) and then opened it again and said do you really want to do this? We'll both go to jail and its my first offense....he put it away and ran off

once again...I do not condone nor advise this

Nate

PS will someone go out and buy a watchpocket balisong so I dont ffeel so alone LOL Im kidding
Although it is fun to play with in boring public places and I suppose it could be used for last ditch escape defense
 
I had to pull knives on a few occasions, luckily never needed to use it on the attacker(s), they always decided to leave me alone. I would definitely have used my knife on these occasions if the Bad Guys had persisted. I think it is very hard to disarm someone using a knife, even if (s)he´s not trained in knife combatives. The most important thing is the will to defend yourself.
You have to decide if you want to use your knife (even with lethal effect) or not. If you decide to use it with full intent to cut, stab or even kill the attacker(s), you need an expert or lots of bad luck to get it taken away and used on you. Amante Marinas, a Filipino Grandmaster (of Pananandata Marinas), is quoted in Mark Wiley´s "Filipino Martial Culture" with "If you want to disarm someone, you need twenty years of daily practice, and even then you need to be lucky" (kinda like that, not an exact quote). I believe in this, as I have experienced the difficulties of successful disarms in my training as well.
Another thing: You might impress inexperienced fighters with fancy balisong flipping, but if I decided to attack you (which I would of course never do)and had already drawn/opened my knife, I´d go for you as soon as I saw any drawing motion - never underestimate an attacker.
Just my two cents.

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"Peace is not without conflict; it is the ability to cope with conflict" - Leo Giron
 
Far back as we can tell, the butterfly knife original concept was that of a secret knife.
To be used as a last ditch or the split second before you attack or defend yourself.That is why the blade was hidden. The Fillipinos on the other hand, perpetuated this even further. Their concept goes along the lines of, cut your opponent without him seeing it. Therein again lies the secrecy of the hidden blade.
 
While the balisong's ability to be kept hidden contributes to its combative value, my latest research indicates that the original balisong knives were French. The first recorded use of these knives was by the French and Spanish navy. Specifically balisongs were used by those sailors who manned cannons. These knives had a ruler-like scale on the brass handles (brass being non-sparking). The ruler was used to measure the amount of powder in the cannon. The blade would probably be used to open powder kegs, crates of cannon balls, etc., and the closed knife could even be used to tap down the powder.

So, it seems that the balisong is not originally a weapon for hand-to-hand combat at all.

More history coming soon.

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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com

[This message has been edited by Gollnick (edited 07-01-2000).]
 
Very curious, where did you come across that information about the french and spanish navy using that knife?. I am more than aware of the famous french ruler knife. Being that it
is held together with only one pin when open, I find it hard to believe that knife could take that much punishment, when it would be easier to use a strong straight blade.
If you could please tell me where you researched this out, I would love to read up on this.
 
whydoes Alexi switch between the 3rd Person and 1st Person and WHO is he/she/they??

I hate phantom people if I knew more about them I would be able to respect their opinons more

am I the only one?

Nate
 
Alexipublications is the publisher of "The Heart of the Butterfly" ! ! !
I assume they have done a lot of research in recent months to publish this book. Chuck Gollnick has only devoted his life to researching and collecting the balisong. My question is this. What kind of research into the balisong would not include, at least, a conversation with one of the worlds foremost experts. Where would you find a better source of information?
Most people I know start research with the net. Type balisong into any search engine and "Gollnick" pops up ten times.

JamPrit



[This message has been edited by JamPrit (edited 07-02-2000).]
 
I do not understand the hostility about the book. This book was a project under the guidance of Cecil Quirino who in turn introduced me to Bernard Levine who was very kind in showing us all he had.
Both of them have given us their help and leads in researching this book. this book took close to 3 years of hard research on the part of my two partners and myself.
Personally I have used the butterfly knife extensively during my 8 years in the Marine Corp. So have many of my friends. I was very interested in knowing about the french ruler knife being used on board ship. Is that a bad question to ask?. I understood this as a forum. With all the research we have done, I was trying to help and add more info. I was wrong. Forgive me for asking. If I had hurt anybodies feelings I am genuinly sorry. I am truly suprised on how we were received concerning this book. As it is, Mr Levine is the person who told us about this forum back in April and how exciting it would be to let ths forum know about this book. Again we were wrong.
 
Personally I don't think people are trying to be hostile, they are extremely helpful (as I have experience several times)-(and I guess that you could be an asset to this forum) but, I don't think people like someone coming into their/this forum and trying to promote there book and get free advertisement. Especially from someone they know any thing about. -Just my 2cents maybe I am wrong-

mmtmatrix


[This message has been edited by mmtmatrix (edited 07-02-2000).]
 
I was trying to help and add more info. I was wrong.
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...who told us about this forum back in April and how exciting it would be to let ths forum know about this book. Again we were wrong.
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You asked how Gollnick came about his info. Others in the forum asked who are you to question him. I can see where you would retort with the fact that you have a valid question... However, I don't see the need to guilt trip and I truly don't think anyone is going to feel sympathy for you if you choose that tact.

[This message has been edited by NaTeDoGG (edited 07-02-2000).]
 
Wow, seems I've inadvertently touched off a bit of a firestorm. That was purely unintentional.

If you haven't noticed, the balisong has a bit of an image problem. So, I'm always concerned about any public portrayal of the knife. When someone says they've written a book about these special knives, I wonder how that book is going to portray the knife, as a wonderfully efficent example of form-follows-function design resulting in the best folding knife design ever, as a very handy tool for everyday use, as a canvas for great artists both in the knife maker and the balisong manipulation artist to work on, or as a weapon of punks and bad guys. We get enough of the later.

So, when a mysterious person shows up and announces that he's publishing a book on my favorite knives, I get suspecious. I suspect that other people here did too.

I was also a bit taken aback by what I perceived as a bit of an attitude in your posts. It came off as "My book is done. Y'all can breath again now. Oh, and you can send me your money too."

The book sounds very interesting and I'm looking forward to seeing more about it on your upcoming website.



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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com
 
Oh, as to the story about the naval use of butterfly knives, well, that comes from another book discovered by a friend of mine in a museum in France where we believe that the historical orgin of the balisong begins.

I'm planning a major update to the history page on my site soon, but I've got several dozen pictures to sort through, scan, edit, etc., and that all takes a lot of time. So, stay tuned.

I basically spent all day yesterday working on my site. You won't believe it when you see how little has changed, but it's betting to be a big site (63M now), and so a change that takes me all day just doesn't seem that large. Oh well.

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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com

[This message has been edited by Gollnick (edited 07-02-2000).]
 
Ok, everyone breath. As we are all aware, the web is a cold, impersonal place were every word can be taken as insult and attack, though rarely intended as so. I remember Alexi's post way back when. Detils were sparse then, but thats ok, just an announcement. Anyway, welcome abord Alexi. I think things started on a weird foot. We all try to do research on some level, some just by reading here, others by looking elsewere. Some people are very, very knowledgable, others not so much. Problem is, with only a few exceptions, we have a hard time telling which is which. And even most "experts" will admit that as far as hstory goes, a good bit is still up in the air. I think if we keep our cool, remember we are all freinds with at least one little flippy thing in commen, and play nice, all will be well. In almost every post i make, I mention things like "I think", "I beleive" or "it works for me". Opinions are just that, so lets not take anything to heart. I've seen too many flame wars and broken lists in my time. Anyway, still just my opinion. Hope it works for you guys, E.
 
I agree with ya afee. Anyone who likes balisongs and researching them is my friend 'til he/she does something that REALLY bothers me, like being rascist.

Alexi: is the book just going to be available on the internet or will it ever be in retail stores such as Barnes and Noble or Borders? Does it come with a free balisong
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Cameron
"It takes a killer...to stop a killer"

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All I meant by that was who IS Alexi...sometimes it is a group...other times it is a single human (I presume). A name would do wonders and probably make it feel more personable here...I meant no offense and I welcome any information about balisongs or anything else in this forum
My sincerest appologies....
Nate
 
Readers of this forum,

We too am sorry for how this came about. Your recent comments are greatly appreciated. One note about the last post, We did not post that with any intent for ANY kind of sympathy. No offense to any one but WE personally do not like sympathy at all. Therefore we defininitely are not seeking it. If we are wrong, then we are WRONG. We will admit to our mistakes.
As far as who "we" are?. That IS our mistake.
We, as far as the research of this book is concerned are, Nikolai Alexandrov, Dominick Galiyeva and Amanda Douglas. Nikolai's background is very interesting. HE is one of the last 21 surviving members of the Romanov family. Nickalas the Czar was his Uncle. His title is Count Nikolai Alexandrov Romanov. It was with his connections through out Europe were we received alot of information concerning the butterfly knife there. Amanda is the expert on laying out the manuscript and editing. She got involved primarily out of interest on the knife itself. Her thesis of studies has all been on France. Which that too was very helpful. As far as myself, As mentioned before,I spent eight years in the Marine corp and got out in 1998. My first tour was 1986 to 1990. Second active duty tour was 1994 to 1998. Was in the reserves from 1992 till 1994. I have used the buterfly knife since my teens. Even more extensivley in the military.
There are other people that helped us a great deal that are mentioned in the book as well.Cecil Quirinio, who has researched this subject for over twenty years. Cecil was born and raised in the Phillipines. He currently lives in California. He is also an incredible
research expert. Cecil inroduced us to Bernard Levine who also has done an incredible amount of research on the butterfly knife. Three years ago I asked why did'nt he(Cecil) do a book about the butterfly knife. He said he was too busy. Then he told me to do it.After alot of though and more prodding from Cecil and promise of support, We did.
Nikolai was the only one to do research on the internet but only in Europe. Amanda and i did ours through phone calls Emails, alot of time spent in the library and personal interviews. This way we can be very sure of our research. Anybody can say anything as we all know, so better to have hard evidence. The whole concept behind this book was to shed a whole positive light on these springless marvels. As mentioned by the moderator, these knives have received so much bad publicity, and yet all with no research on the blades. They have been called switchblades, gravity knives etc. That is why this book is stricly aimed at collectors. Vol. 2 will cover more indepth information that came at the closing of the first book.Vol 3 will cover the use of the knife in a much more positive light . I think I covered most of the questions. If not please feel free to email us at alexipubications@hotmail.com with comments statements,questions anything you wish. Thank you for your support and understanding.
 
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