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I placed an order for one of his knives around a week ago. The overall design appealed to me because it looks like it would be a great all around utility/food prep knife. The knife shown below has a 4.5“ ATS-34 blade of ¼ inch stock. This is a little too thick for my taste so I figured that a 5.5” blade made of 3/16 CPM 3V would fit my purposes better. I also want some sort of coating to protect the blade from corrosion and we decided on a hard chrome coating. Unfortunately Cecil doesn’t offer a boron carbide coating yet but he told me that he is working on it. Does anyone have any experience with hard chrome on CPM 3V?

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BTW the knife shown had not been sharpened when the pic was taken.

Frank Q
 
Coating it will NOT protect the edge.....the most important part of the knife....it will still rust there readily.....
Doesnt that knife look a lot like a ...............????
 
I don't worry much about edges rusting except in storage. On a using knife, it's never been a problem for, as I think cutting tends to polish and clean the edge (cleaning game might be an exception to this).

Tom, it kinda does.
 
And don't know much about knives, BUT the handle looks -to me- a lot like a Hossom....

Please enlighten me!

Michael
 
Soooooooooooo, none of the knives ever posted here look even remotely similar? You boys got some serious imaginations. That's a fantastic blade. PERIOD. I say that 'cause it's mine. Cecil did a great job, was extremely accomodating and kept me advised of his progress.Don't infer nuttin' else...............
 
Ahh yes...I didn't think about Jerry. I was expecting to be compared to Lovelace, Busse, Tops or one of the other knifemakers/Manufacturerswith similar handles.

A little background as to the development of this particular knife. Originally I wanted to make a small utility knife “platform” that would support blade lengths from about 3.5” up to about 5.5”. The intent was to make a utility knife that was comfortable, balanced, and very easy to deploy, use, and resheath.

At this point I will admit to having some outside influence on the physical design of this particular knife but it wasn’t Jerry Hossom or Lovelace or Busse, etc. If you will notice, the blade is reminiscent of (but NOT a COPY of) a Sebenza. For my use, a Sebenza blade is one of the most useful designs out there. That was where the original inspiration for this knife cam from. The handle was developed much later and after several failures.

The second part of making a utility knife functional was to make a sheath that wouldn’t be obtrusive, that would hold the knife securely, be concealable if necessary, and be easy to remove and reattach. The original sheath pretty much looked like the one in the picture and as you can see the handle of the knife rides rather high. That design worked well except that the original PORTIA prototype had a straight handle. The high position of the sheath coupled with the more or less straight handle of the knife put the users hand at a very awkward angle and made drawing the knife pretty uncomfortable…especially after unsheathing and resheathing the knife all day long on the job. I experimented with different sheath angles and mounting heights as well as modifying the handle several times. In the end, the best compromise was to leave the sheath alone and add the hook on the butt of the knife. This give the user the ability to grasp the hook of the knife handle with the ring finger and pop the knife loose from the sheath. Then, as the knife is drawn, the users hand naturally closes around the handle. The final design was developed by trial and error based on what worked for me and what didn’t…it simply worked for my application.

As you guys all know, it pretty tough to come up with a truly unique shape for a tool that millions of people have produced for thousands of years. For example, I have developed at least a half dozen knives that I thought were truly one of a kind when they were first ground only to scrap them a few days later when I saw other makers knives that looked almost identical. It always raises a similar question...where does influence stop and plagiarism start?

I am a great admirer of Jerry Hossom and his work and I apologize to him and his fans if the shape of this knife appears to be overly similar to his…plagiarizing Jerry’s work (or anyone else’s for that matter) was never the intention. In all honesty the similarity to Jerrys’ knives never even occurred to me.

I will say, however, if my work is going to be compared to anyone, I can’t think of a better guy to be compared to. :)

Take care all,
Cecil
 
Whoa! Before this gets out of hand...

That's a fine looking knife and the handle looks a little like the handle on knives from a number of different makers, just as mine look like other knives and other handles. Cecil makes a great knife. Enough said.

No reason why hard chrome shouldn't work well on 3V, though the edge is at risk. And while you do wear-polish the edge during use, wear is accellerated if corrosion is present so it will get dull faster. Polishing the edge in the sharpening process, however, helps protect it against corrosion.

Edit: Thanks Cecil, you obviously type faster than I do! :)
 
Thanks Jerry and Cecil!
I almost locked this puppy an hour ago. I am glad we can talk about a great looking knife now.
 
Wow one of my threads almost got locked. :) Anyway thanks for the feedback. I guess what I wanted to know was that if a cpm 3v blade had been hard chromed before. Jerry I hope that someone has one of your knives at the NY show. I have been wanting to handle one of your blades for a long time.

Frank Q.
 
I'm not a big fan of locked threads, because sometimes we all unintentionally jamb a foot into our mouths....



My post above was in no way intended to insult or flame anyone. It was not intended to be a "Maker X copied Maker Y's work" type of post. After re-reading my post I can see how it might have been misconstrued by some. I will try to be more careful with my choice of words in the future, and I apologize if I have offended anyone. That was not my intent... :o


Michael

PS: If this tread had been locked, none of us might have ever read Cecil's very informative post about how this knife and it's carry system came to be...!
 
Hey Michael,
No offense taken on my part...in fact I appreciate your candor. If you were thinking it, chances are others were as well so it needed to be addressed. This way we were able to discuss it in the open.

Gus,
Thanks for bearing with us and keeping the thread open. I promise I'll try to play nice :)

Frank,
Sorry for muddying up your thread with all this other stuff. And to think that all you really wanted to know was if you can hard chrome 3V. And a word of warning, if you manage to get your fingers around one of Jerry's knives you'll end up buying it...trust me they are truly works of art...and unbelievably fast and well balanced. :)

Jerry,
Thanks for the response. By the way, I guess you heard that Mike Ajax is away so the edged weapons class is being postponed until spring. I'll update you as soon as I have more info.

Take care guys...I'm outta here, I've got too many knives to copy...ummm I mean grind :D,
Cecil
 
Jeeze my TTKK and Jerry's handle design look similar too.. SO WHAT? I didnt copy Jerry, and I doubt he copied me. It is possible for people to have original thoughts that are VERY similar.
There are ONLY so many ways you can make a handle that works well.. After that your just being different for the sake of being different, and that doesnt make for a good knife that works.
Just my thoughts, keep it up Cecil I like the looks of the blade, and the sheath looks great too..

Take Care
Trace Rinaldi
www.thrblades.com
 
Yeah... I was thinking TTKK myself. But most probably because I was just over at an internet dealer site drooling over a collection of 154CM, BG42, and D2 TTKK's. DANG I wish I had ordered one a long time ago! :mad:

But anyway, definitely a different handle. I like it, a lot.
 
Ok...so who made this knife?? <~~ Humor :cool:


"Hunters seek what they [WANT].., Seekers hunt what they [NEED]"
 
Wow. Nice work, Cecil. Good lookin' blade.

This kind of convergent evolution speaks very highly of the design. Particularly considering the exceptional makers involved.

Just Wow.
 
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