Setting up a knife building shop from scratch.

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If you were starting up a stock removal knife building shop from scratch, what would you purchase?

I would like to be able to make fixed blade hunting/tactical/edc knives with kydex sheaths. This would be a 1 man operation.

I want to be able to heat treat and check rockwell hardness in house.

Looking for a list of tools and quipment needed to fill up a 34 x 24 shop. Not wanting to go cheap, and want to do it right.

Thanks for any feedback.
 
If you want to spend the money, then I'll suggest a quality 2x72 grinder (Ameribrade or Brodbeck).
 
A 2X72 is essential, like N.W. Gean N.W. Gean said Ameribrade and Brodbeck are excellent there’s also Wilmont, Origin Blade maker and a few other really good quality grinders out there (just do your research and find the one that you think will fit your needs the best) and whatever grinder you get make sure it’s got a VFD
Also I highly recommend getting a 9” disk sander/grinder (again with a VFD) that will make certain jobs WAY easier.
For a heat treating oven I’ve heard wonderful things about Jen-Ken’s vertical kilns. For testing HRC I know a lot of people use the Grizzly G9645 Hardness tester
A granite surface plate and height gauge I feel are essential (if you want any precision) as well as a good pair of calipers.
A good quality drill press is very important as well (and you can do a lot more things with a drill press then just drilling holes)
One bit of advice (you might know this already) make sure to invest in high quality belts/abrasives!
Also get good quenching oils like Parks AAA and Parks 50 (I do not recommend using vegetable oil) that's also if your planning on using simple carbon steel, if your planning on use high alloy steels like stainless and high speed then you'll need aluminum quench plates.

Unfortunately I don’t have much experience with making Kydex sheaths so can’t really help you there 😔

Anyway that’s some of the bigger things that I can think of of the top of my head, and I wish you luck on your conquest.
 
You are talking about a large shop and a relatively large budget. I just set up a new hobby operation in part of a garage and that is a totally different question.

There have been some threads on building shops so it is worth searching for those.
Starting from a clean empty shop, I would consider the following:

1) lighting and outlets. Plenty of bright lights and more outlets than you imagine. Paint the walls white etc. Storage for materials and belt hangers. Organization for parts related to multiple ongoing projects. Fire safety equipment.

2) Air quality as well as heating/cooling (you want to be comfortable). I use a dust deputy/shop vac in my garage, but for a large shop you can look at ducted capture like Royer shows on YouTube. You need good personal breathing. People suggest a forced air system if you will spend long hours in the shop. Eye and hearing protection.

3) Benches, plan your layout for the various operations. People like access to multiple benches of different heights. Plenty of counter space, some of it clean.

3) Tools: a good 2x72 belt grinder such as Northridge; Reversible disc grinder (possibly with quick-change discs); a good drill press and/or mill; Vises (large heavy steel, and multi-angle flexible plastic); band saw (minimum of portaband with swag table); large assortment of quality hand tools such as hammers, files, rasps, pliers, clamps, saws, punches, tap/die etc.; buffer; rotary tool; jigs; file guide; Height gauge; marble flat plates.

4) Heat treat; if you want in-house capability you need an oven, quenching plates, oil, tempering oven, cryo LN dewar, hardness tester.

5) Materials: you need to decide on and stock materials such as steel, wood, G10, Micarta, other guard and handle materials, liners, epoxy etc.

6) Design and business: doesn’t have to be in the shop, but you might want a drafting table, computer and printer. Magnifying head set. Track all your costs including shipping. Find your time/cost bottlenecks, and look for improved methods, vendors or procedures.

I’m probably forgetting a million things.
 
Upright compressor stored in a "doghouse" attached to the shop. Make it large enough to also house a Dewar in case you do stainless.
Air to machines like mill, surface grinder, lathe, etc that you want to blow clean.
More outlets. Then double that. 240V for grinder motors and furnace(s), 115-ish V for drill presses, etc.
More light. LED overhead bar lights everywhere. Burina makes relatively cheap lighting in a couple temps that really work well together for definition. Mount some on either magnets or DualLock so you can shift them around. A couple of floor lamps are handy for spot lighting.
Which, with all that electric need, means a big circuit panel just for the shop.
Storage cabinets. Lots. Everything gets dusty.
 
Yah there’s a lot of stuff!. I would recommend getting what you think you’ll need and just start making knives. you can always expand.
 
If you were starting up a stock removal knife building shop from scratch, what would you purchase?
Okay, this is going to be a long list of things to buy

2x72 belt grinder .Choose one which have all necesary attachement you will need .
Small angle grinder
Small bench drill press
bench grinder
Files , for metal and wood in differenst shape and size , never enough of files
Hammers
some small anvil or thick piece of steel
Several vice , big one smal one.....etc
pliers, clamps, saws, punches..........
Disk sander
Portable bandsaw
Dremel with million smal things

Heat treat oven
Container for quenching oil
quenching oil
tempering oven
Some thick aluminium plate /two of them / for
stainless teel HT and cryo LN dewar
hardness tester

tools for making kydex sheath
KYDEX Eyelet Flaring Tool

And one million other small tool which most of us make ourselves ......
And another one million other tools that I can't remember right now
Good luck my friend :thumbsup:
 
Hey the guy wants to make knives, I don’t have a problem with that, though there is a valid question to be asked, rhust rhust have you made any knives? if not I recommend you try it first before you buy a butt ton of equipment.
 
OK, I'll try and give some guidance.
Start by filling out your profile. A lot will depend on where you live. We don't know if you are a retired movie star or a young fellow just out of high school.
Have you been making knives long? Have you ever made knives? If not, stop and think this out:
You don't become a brain surgeon by buying a scalpel and operating table.
You don't become a knifemaker by buying a lot of equipment.

If you haven't made at least 100 knives with whatever equipment you have, you don't want to start with an entire production shop.

What you are considering is a $30,000+ investment in tools to start with and another $10,000 to $20,000 before long. If you don't have the building available, that could run you anywhere from $20,000 to $100,000.
The list of equipment the fellows and I are giving you is just what it would take to start the business you want: There will be more as time goes by.

You don't need all this to start making knives as a hobby, but the answer to your question as-asked is:

A short list of main equipment:

2X72 variable speed (VFD) grinder with attachments - 12"-wheel, flat platen, small wheel fork, other size wheels, water cooled platen, Kool-mist system, work rests, jigs, etc.
9" variable speed disc grinder with multiple discs (Neilsen system is great)
HT oven - 18" minimum, 24" probably a better idea.
Tempering oven with accurate digital control.
Quench tanks and quenchants - 5-gallon capacity and oil in Parks #50 and Parks AAA
4X2X24" aluminum quench plates and some system for using them
Large variable speed drill press, smaller bench mount drill press. Carbide and regular bits. taps and other supplies
Small to medium size mill
Surface grinder
Metal cutting bandsaw and blades
Wood cutting bandsaw and carbide tipped blades
Lots of abrasives for the tolls as well as hand sanding
Vices, hand tools, hammers, micrometers, measuring tools
A small anvil (lots of stock removal tasks still involve a hammer and anvil)
Good quality Rockwell tester
Kydex oven, Kydex press, sheets of kydex, kydex rivets and installation tools, belt clips, etc.
LED lighting ... lots of it!
Large air compressor
Dust collection system, spark traps, air filters
PAPR and other PPE equipment
Knife sharpening supplies, stones, etc.
200 amps 220VAC electric supply, (3-phase would be a real plus)
A large, secure, dry building with air exhaust (and perhaps fire control systems required by local codes). 20X20 feet minimum, 20X40 more likely to work. Water supply to the building. A clean and air-conditioned room or office in the building is a real plus.
Knife steel. handle materials, handle supplies, guard and bolster material, pins, rivets, etc.
Acid etching tanks for damascus and patina. FC and other etchants.
Glues and resins, oils and coatings, shipping supplies and boxes, business cards and papers,
Don't forget - licenses and permits, zoning, fire inspections, Tax ID number, insurance, and other requires papers.
Add to that a retirement fund and health insurance.

Other things that will likely be needed eventually if you go full time:
Welding equipment
Plasma cutter
Other types and sizes of grinders. Multiple grinders save time and can be set up for specific tasks. many full-time shops run three or more 2X72 grinders.
Salt pots
Bigger and more ovens
Coating and other systems - Cerakote, Parkerizing, anodizing, etc.
 
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I start with file back in time , now I can't see the light at the other end of the tunnel in which I am for years .Tools and tools and tools and more tools .......... It is scary where a hobby can take you :D
 
PPE and fire & safety equipment first. Otherwise you will blow the budget on fun stuff and/or start before you are protected.

Do as I say, not as I do...
 
IF I had shop that size and a UNLIMITED budget I'd opt for 6 VSD 2x72" belt sanders set up with one purpose. Rather than ONE VSD belt sander with 6 attachments. Hey if your dreaming dream big!
 
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