setting up Paragon oven with more temp probes?

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I got a Paragon oven a while back but haven't had time to plug it in yet. Hopefully next rotation home I'll be able to do that.

My question is on the temp probes. I've heard of people adding extra probes to ensure the controller is reading accurately. How would one do this? Really new to heat treat ovens so any suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,
Will
 
Hi Will,

A second thermocouple is a very good idea (I plan to do so for my Evenheat sometime soon, but am still tooling up on some other basics first).

The answer to your question depends on what you are asking: do you need to know what to buy? Where to drill in the kiln? Or how to hook it up?

If you try searching bladeforums for "Thermocouple", there are a bunch of decent threads: thermocouple site:bladeforums.com.

I was planning to point you toward some specific threads, but my 2 year old is asking for breakfast...
 
No worries, I've got 5 weeks to read up, I pretty much need to know everything, where to drill, what to buy, and how to hook it up. Well, got to get to sleep, got class in a few hours.
 
There are two ways to approach this:

One is to add a second TC and a PID as a read only device. This will give a second opinion as to the chamber temp. Setting the PID for an alarm at 10 degrees above the highest set point gives you a safety feature..
This setup allows you to compare the two readings all the time, and will warn of a failure in the controller if the oven drifts too hot.
Adding a separate TC and PID is simple and cheap.

The second is to add two more TCs and use a 3 position rotary switch to select which one is governing the controller. This requires a bit more wiring knowledge, and the right wire type for the TCs used. The rotary switch should be a good quality ceramic type. Gold plated contacts is also a good thing. Wiring should be kept as short as possible, and not run along any AC lines. Resistance is a big thing with TC wires, so make sure there is no additional resistance added in bad joints and cheap connectors. A coat of high temp RTV over the connectors may be a good idea,too.
With some other wiring options and a multi-pole rotary switch, you can make the non-controlling TCs read on separate PIDs.
If you go this way, place one TC at the top, one in the center, and one on the floor.



I saw a setup where the person cast a 2" thick, brick shaped slab of castable refractory with a TC in the center. This was placed on the oven floor, and the TC was wired to its own PID ( read only) for reading the temp of the brick. The oven controls were left as is. After the oven was fully soaked at target, the blade was placed on the brick. The thermal mass of the brick assured an even heating of the blade, and the TC was at the exact same temperature.
I would have wired the brick TC to the controller, and had the old TC as a read only device.
 
I have been really happy with www.auberins.com. Get the TC-K-KLN and the ceramic sheath TC-K-KLNSH. Also has great selection of PID's. Just find one that suits your needs...
 
Thanks, looks good. Not sure what Pid I need though, not looking to control the oven, just have a separate temperature reading.
 
OK, I got word back from Auberins and they hooked me up. Now to finish this hitch up and try to get everything wired up and working.

Thanks for the help.

Will
 
Just curious, unless you used some kind of special switch, wouldn't the addition of switches to the circuit add to ironious(sp) readings ? TC's work on a principle of a voltage being created at the junction of 2 dissimilar metals and the change in that voltage as temp changes. This is the reason you have to be sure to connect the wires to their proper terminal on the reading device and not just any meter will do. The addition of a switch in the circuit, with different contact material, or material matching only one of the metals used in the TC would introduce a wild card to the expected voltage output and throw the reading off a bit.
I have no experiance with these, just trying to understand what I've read and think I have learned about them here and at work.
 
No idea, hopefully someone can advise. What I'm planningon doing is installing a read only thermocouple and using it to verify my temp is the rite on the oven's controller.
 
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