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JD Mandrell

JD Mandrell

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OK, I am sure I already know the answer to this one, but I pormised I would post it on here.

Today at the family Thanksgiving, my older brother and I started our usual knife talk. I was showing my nephew my Elk PCS 110, when my brother, who is a Schrade LB7 user, chimed in with how The Buck 110 was a blatant rip off of Schrade's LB7 and not near as good of quality.

Leaving the quality argument aside, I assured him that the 110 came out before the Schrade LB7, but he was adamant that Buck stole this design from Schrade.

I didn't wake up in an alternate dimension this morning did I?????
 
Yes Buck was the first to make this design popular. Everyone else jumped on the band wagon when it became a hit. A story I heard was Puma even used a 110 in their ad for the Game Warden because they didn't have a completed knife of their own yet and wanted to advertise.
Scott
 
I am sure I read in the Buck book that the 110 was a composite of a number of compeating designs. I cant say for sure that one came before the other but my bother has a Schrade LB7 I am sure we would both agree that my 110FG is the nicer of the two knives. In fact he has said so. His is a good hard working knife and has spent more time in the field that the Buck has but the Buck is deffinately the nicer knife.
 
howdy last reb... my first buck folding hunter / locking blade knife was mine in '68 and it did not have 110 on it or usa only "Buck", i was 16 and a electricians helper and at over 12$ it was a expensive knife !!!!

hummmm....the first knife to carry the '110' number is a fixed blade design and it was not 'released' for sale out side of the factory...
hummmm...yes it is my under standing from old reading also that Buck did not patent the blade locking design
{or the pattern of the knife known as the folding hunter} as that it IS a composit design... abet the best there ever was but still a improved copy itself of non pattented designs, there were design changes made after the protype shown to the board and buck contuned to make improvement /changes during the first few years and each of these are verrrry collectable!!! it is even hard to get a list of the diffrent changes that were made or the order they were made in and some buck collectors and employees will differ as to what and when something came out!!! (right Joe?)
hummm....it is my understanding that it was because of the copys that started to come out that the 110 number was added and the usa was added as so to sell in Canada then the dots to show engeneering and other changes and now "year" marks that dont nessarrly always reflect the year of the knife are on the blade...
even today the "folding hunter" still has diffrent numbers and styles that still make collecting buck's first locking blade knife a chalange!!!
OH yes BTW- schrade and pluma and other "major Name brands" did come out with a like knifes AFTER the folding hunter! most the copys were due to the fact that people would pay more for a quality made in the USA knife like buck at +12$ in 68 they were expensive!!!
most respectfuly yours dave usn ret
 
I believe Buck came out with the design in 1963, it was not patentable since it didn´t really used anything new, just a good design that became very popular and was copied, and copied, and copied. Some copies are good like Schrade and Puma, both Schrade and Puma made the design in a wider variety of sizes.

I like the old Buck 110 better than the Schrade LB7 because of the better steel (440C vs 440A), the newer ones are both 420HC.

My current knives in these design are Buck 422, Schrade LB7 and LB3, Puma Prince and a plastic handled Puma, wishing for a Buck 110 and/or 112 but haven´t seen any in Mexico for a long time.

Luis
 
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