Shaping Micarta

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I'm in the middle of a stripping project of a Black Tiger Active Duty. I've got a satin finish on the blade, and I want to sand and reshape the tiger slabs to shape them like the Cultellus' handles to kinda mag them out. I think I recall hearing micarta dust is bad (?) or toxic (?) or something? Do I need a respirator for this? What about G-10? Same questions. :confused:
 
I'm in the middle of a stripping project of a Black Tiger Active Duty. I've got a satin finish on the blade, and I want to sand and reshape the tiger slabs to shape them like the Cultellus' handles to kinda mag them out. I think I recall hearing micarta dust is bad (?) or toxic (?) or something? Do I need a respirator for this? What about G-10? Same questions. :confused:


I can't speak with knowledge on the micarta, but it is canvas soaked in a type of resin... The G-10, IIRC from another thread, is a type of fiberglass or closely "related" to fiberglass, chemically speaking ... so if this is correct, you will want to take precautions with that. When I worked with my Tigerhipe micarta AD, I did it with sandpaper & by hand outside and kept upwind of the knife.
 
When I worked with my Tigerhipe micarta AD, I did it with sandpaper & by hand outside and kept upwind of the knife.

How did it turn out? Can we see?

I was thinking the TH looks really cool all smoothed out on the Cultellus, but I don't know if the AD's slabs are thick enough for the same effect? What happened with your's?
 
How did it turn out? Can we see?

I was thinking the TH looks really cool all smoothed out on the Cultellus, but I don't know if the AD's slabs are thick enough for the same effect? What happened with your's?


I just sanded the grips flat & oiled them up. You've probably seen these already, but here they are again. :)

Silverback_BlackTigerAD-3.jpg

Silverback_BlackTigerAD-1.jpg

Silverback_BlackTigerAD-2.jpg
 
nice looking job. what kind of finish is that on the blade?
thanks
 
With regards to the hazards of sanding micarta and G10...

1. Dust.

Most fine dusts are irritant and best avoided. Micarta and G10 tend to be quite a 'rough' dust, so can be very irritating to the sinuses and mucal membranes in lungs. In addition, the phenolic resin is not good for you and having it in very fine pieces means that there is much more contact with the chemical.

Dust stays in the air for quite a while, and can be released from carpets and other surfaces with movement, so don't think that once you've finished sanding, it's all gone. You need to think about the room afterwards and anyone in it. People can and do get long-term illnesses from dust inhalation, and it doesn't take much if you're sensitive to it. Some die of it.

You need a dust mask, at least. See below:

2. Chemicals.

When machined or ground, the phenolic resin releases formaldahyde - it stinks! It's also very, very toxic. So, if doing anything other than a little hand sanding, you really should wear a formaldehyde respirator (not just a dust mask!) and work in a well ventilated place. These are quite easily available in the UK, probably the same everywhere.

3. Summary.

I used to be a head of science and Safety (COSHH) Officer for the labs. That makes me a little over-the-top sometimes when it comes to chemical hazards. I've also almost completely lost me sense of smell and can barely breathe though my nose due to inhalation of chemical fumes when much younger and stupider. So I've a reason to be a little paranoid.

Wet sanding will probably mitigate much of the dust hazard, not sure if it will do much if you use a grinder though.

Enjoy your Micarta grinding!
 
You won't get an AD to pull a Culty mag handle shape. Not enuf micarta there to work it.

You CAN do what Jaxx did - mine came out after about 400 grit to look like that w/o any oiling at all. It's at Ban's now getting a satin/full-height-grind to be my home-made Cultellus. :)

I've done my Tan Fatty Warden b/c the scales were ugly and a blu-black FBM that came out AWESOME. Some scales are meant to be sanded.
 
I think micarta dust (phenolic/canvas) falls in the nuisance dust category, best avoided, a painters dust mask is likely sufficient. G10 is glass fabric, and would be very bad to breathe, you really need a proper respirator. I don't believe the cured micarta is going to release any significant level of formaldehyde.
 
I think micarta dust (phenolic/canvas) falls in the nuisance dust category, best avoided, a painters dust mask is likely sufficient. G10 is glass fabric, and would be very bad to breathe, you really need a proper respirator. I don't believe the cured micarta is going to release any significant level of formaldehyde.

yeah....what RG said. Micarta good....G-10 bad!:p



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I think micarta dust (phenolic/canvas) falls in the nuisance dust category, best avoided, a painters dust mask is likely sufficient. G10 is glass fabric, and would be very bad to breathe, you really need a proper respirator. I don't believe the cured micarta is going to release any significant level of formaldehyde.

I think this Guy is an expert on these kind of things:D:thumbup:
 
so I gather one of those 3M respirators with the 2 rectangular canisters coming out the side would do just fine??
 
I think micarta dust (phenolic/canvas) falls in the nuisance dust category, best avoided, a painters dust mask is likely sufficient. G10 is glass fabric, and would be very bad to breathe, you really need a proper respirator. I don't believe the cured micarta is going to release any significant level of formaldehyde.

You're most likely completely correct for hand sanding, and certainly about the G10 dust.

Putting it on a belt grinder though will heat it up, and the hot dust is in intimate contact with the air (oxidising). I can't be bothered working out the possible chemistry (not sure I still could anyway). I wouldn't like to take the risk myself without very good ventilation and a proper respirator; since one is needed anyway it might as well be a formaldehyde one. That said, one small handle probably won't do any harm.

But who can stop at just one :confused:

I said 'just one' when I bought my first Busse.

Now I have, erm, many. And more on the way...

(Like I said, I get paranoid about chemical-related hazards - don't even get me started on rechargeable lithium cells!)

Rick - British Pork!
 
(Like I said, I get paranoid about chemical-related hazards -

Certainly understandable, it was your profession. You mentioned above that formaldehyde respirators are easy to get in the UK. Where would the average citizen, DIY-type, person go to buy one in the UK? I haven't ever had occasion to look for one here, but would be stumped where to tell someone to start. (not counting our lab safety supplier, of course)
 
Maybe 'quite easily' is a bit far, I've not seen them in the local DIY stores. They are easily found online from plenty of UK companies though. Even Amazon list them. They could probably be obtained from the more 'professional' tool and building materials suppliers. I'll check out my local ones next time I'm in them, just out of curiosity. Formaldehyde isn't all that uncommon a hazard when dealing with a lot of materials.

3M half-face masks seem quite common with these suppliers. There is a range of filter cartridges available for them including formaldehyde.

Rick - British Pork!
 
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