Shapleigh Harness Stockman

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Guys, this seller: http://stores.ebay.com/Bulldog-Knives

Has 2 Shapleigh stockman knives with the harness punch instead of the pen blade.

Unfortunately he doesn't deal outside the U.S. & I don't have the time to ask if he'll make an exception.

4 hours to go!

If anyone is willing to bid for me, I can go to $60.00?

ATB
Matt
 
Hi Amos

I meant for one. Interestingly, I see he's got 2 more up now. I guess from his ebay name that he's the current owner of Bulldog knives (I forget the guy's name.) Anyway, I've sent him an e-mail to ask if he'll let me bid. ;)

Can anyone here tell me what the right sort of price would be for one of these?

ATB
Matt
 
He's Parker's son, I think. That's a Cattle pattern Knife, whether it has a punch or not. Those German made bone or bone-stag knives bring about 50-60 bucks; He's got hundreds of them, and has been selling them pretty steadily for a year anyway. The Ivory and Pearl ones go over $100 usually. Stag goes over $60 often.
 
A little late on the repiy, but I've had one of these with the buffalo horn scales for several years now and for 60$, its a darn fine knife. Its well made and finished with carbon steel blades that take a very nice edge. I've carried mine as a everyday knife off and on and when I pull it out around other people, I never fail to get remarks and questions about where I got it. For the price, I'd say go for it.
 
Charlie & FG,

James Parker goes by Silverladdie on ebay. His email address is: bbknife@bellsouth.net

He's the one I bought that second bone handled Remington Daddy Barlow from. I've only bought the one knife, but it was a smooth, easy transaction.

FG, I did bid on those knives up to a point, but at that moment didn't have the reserves to do any higher than I did. Had it been a few hours later I would have, but that reserve quickly went on a pair of Queen Birdseye Maples of two patterns I like.

That buffalo horn Shapleigh sure was a pretty thing. I seem to have been bitten by a Canandian bug that makes me find knives with punch blades attractive. :D I might have had a hard time letting that one go if I'd been successful. ;)

I'd say the best idea would be to contact both James and the seller of those Shapleighs and see what you can work out with them.
 
I have bought several knives from Parkers, and it's always a pleasure! I have 3-4 of those Cattle knives, got them when they first came out. They are great knives, well finished, and I'm very partial to that equal end pattern. At that price it's a good deal, I agree.
I don't believe every word of the hype re: "factory find" however. The story may be strrrrrrrretttttttchhhhhhhhhed a little :rolleyes: !
 
waynorth said:
I have bought several knives from Parkers, and it's always a pleasure! I have 3-4 of those Cattle knives, got them when they first came out. They are great knives, well finished, and I'm very partial to that equal end pattern. At that price it's a good deal, I agree.
I don't believe every word of the hype re: "factory find" however. The story may be strrrrrrrretttttttchhhhhhhhhed a little :rolleyes: !
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I agree with every word. If you can get past the BS, these are very nice, Olbertz made knives. My buffalo horn equal end cattle knife has fit and finish to rival my Schatt and Morgan Railsplitters, and better blade steel.
 
Thanks for the input guys! :)
I'll see what Bulldogknives comes back with, & try James agian. (I tried him once before via his website, but no reply.)

ATB
Matt
 
Here's a pic for perusal pleasure, of the one's I bought when they first came out;
ShapleighCattle.jpg

Only the top, larger one has a punch.
 
With no disrespect intended to anyone here, the title of this thread needs correction, because it is misleading. The names of some of these knife patterns go back to the 1870's according to the foremost researchers, and I believe they are important to use correctly, to avoid confusion, and allow us to dicuss knives with enjoyment. Otherwise, we descend eventually into chaos, something like the once-brothers in the Middle East!
The topic here in this thread is Cattle knives with a punch!
Cattle knife; (definition) Most often an equal ended handle pattern, with 3-blades, usually a spear main, with some variation in the other two blades. I know, I know, there are all kinds of exceptions, to handles shape, to blade style and to blade count, but who doesn't know what I mean when I say Cattle knife???
And almost no-one referred to the punch as a "harness" punch until the buzz in the last couple years concerning Harness Jacks. It is a usually a leather punch, and harnesses are usually leather, I agree, but I am pleading history and convention here. Besides, they are not all leather punches, and so not all Harness punches.
According to Levine, Cattle knives were so named in the 1870s, and Stockmen in the 1890s, so these names are a proud American tradition! Let's all speak the same language!!
Respectfully submitted,
Charlie waynorth
 
Great stuff to know, Charlie. I certainly appreciate where you are coming from. A big part of the enjoyment in traditional knives, at least for me, is the history and development of the patterns. I still have WAY much to learn. As I was reading the first part of your post as you described a Cattle Knife and it's normal blade configuration, I immediately wondered, given the similar blade layout and name, if the Stockman was perhaps a derivative of the Cattle Knife. Then I read the dates on the naming of both. It seems logical, but I'm certainly don't mind if somone corrects that idea.

I really got to get a 4th edition or earlier Levine's guide. Any suggested reading on working patterns and where they came from, how they developed?

...but who doesn't know what I mean when I say Cattle knife???
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Sheepmen, sheeple, and city slickers? Sorry, couldn't resist.
 
Hi Waynorth

I'd change the title, but it seems I can't, sorry.

Anyway, here's another interesting Cattle knife on fleabay. Yet another US only seller, so have fun! :D

CASE XX Punch Blade

As usual, no connection to the seller - just handing you guys the candy! :)
 
Well, I've got this one on the way. It looks a nice cattle punch to me, but can anyone tell me more about it? Did I pay the right price or have I been stung?

Cheers guys. :)
 
I'd bet dollars to donuts that knife was made for Buck by Camillus. The punch and blades look like one I've got. As an American made knife, and by good manufacturer, the price is probably fine. Not a steal, but not too much.
 
Too bad they didn't think of that in 1870 ;) !
Ever hear of a half-whit:eek: ? Not quite a whittler:D !
 
LOL!!

And thanks for the input Waynorth. It's always good to know that you haven't horrendously overpaid as you build your collection! ;)
 
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