Share Your Conversations with Non Knife People

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I am sure that you all have those people in your life that will never understand your obsession with knives. Below are a few of my conversations...
Lets hear yours!

Me - Look at the beautiful stone washed finish on this knife!
Non Knife Person - Why would you wash a knife with stones? It looks all bumpy now!

Me - I need a knife that retains a razor sharp edge even after cutting up 50 cardboard
boxes and battoning a cord of wood!
Non Knife Person - A letter opener will work fine for opening mail and packages.

Me - I need another knife because I need differnt blade steels for different jobs!
Non Knife Person - Aren't all knives just "stainless steel"?

Me - Look how sharpe I got this knife on my new million grit stone!!!
Non Knife Person - Why do you have all those patches of hair missing from your arms and legs???
 
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That sums up just about all my convos with people especcally the last one lol xD i usally carry an bm adamas and esee canduru to work. To all the non knife guys i pull out the esee. And they dont bat an eye
 
these are the top 10 questions and the replies I give.

Q. You carry a knife?
A. Yes.

Q. Why?
A. Because when I have one I never need it and when I dont I need it. Its easier to carry it.

Q. Why do you carry a weapon?
A. I dont carry a weapon. I carry a tool. Is your belt a weapon? What about that pen?

Q. How many of those things do you really need?
A. Until the hole in my heart is filled. Its a big hole.

Q. Can you sharpen my knife?
A. No

Q. Why not?
A. I have not mastered the art of putting a edge on poop.

Q. I have this amazing knife that has been passed down in my family for centuries. Im sure its worth more than a solid gold unicorn that craps rubies. Can you tell me what it is and how much its worth?
A. Its a browning. It came in a $10 clamshell package from wal-mart. I believe this was last years model.

Q. Why do you need the knife that sharp.
A. I like tools to do the job they are made for

Q. What is the best knife?
A. The one that makes you happy.

Q. How man knives have you owned
A. I lost count years ago. That is like asking me how many pieces of gum I have chewed.
 
Q. Why do you carry a weapon?
A. I dont carry a weapon. I carry a tool. Is your belt a weapon? What about that pen?

Yeah I get that question from people all the time. Yet when they need to cut something suddenly it is a tool again and they want to borrow it.....:rolleyes:
 
Mine are usually something along the of "what kind of knife is that?" followed by "oh never heard of that" (common brands, Kershaw etc.).

That or the worst..."Gerber knives are the best..."* or "why didn't you just buy a Gerber?"*

*Yes, I hate modern Gerber knives, I make no bones about that. I recognize that they once made solid knives, but those days were LONG ago. Nowadays, most of their stuff is made in China and is junk sold at Walmart and Academy to people to who don't know any better. And then there's the Bear Grylls line...I won't go there.
 
I've found the conversations go rather well once they find out how expensive it is.
Even an $80 folder seems expensive to a non-knife person, let along a $500 knife.

It turns the conversation to the merits of the hobby, the craftsmanship, and the utility of it as a tool as well.

Them: "Why do you carry that weapon?"
Me: "Actually, it is quite useful as a tool, and is also a collectable...this one cost $300."
Them: "Wow, that's a lot! What makes it cost so much more than the ones at Wal-Mart?"

And now you have a conversation going which can actually lead someplace positive. :thumbup:
 
Consumer: Why are you using that, I thought you liked Spyderco?

Me: I do.

Consumer: So why are you using that cheap one?

Me: Price is no guide to usefulness. When you know more about knives you'll know why.

Consumer: Are you saying that is better than your Spydercos?

Me: No, and without trying to be mean, that's an idiotic question.

Consumer: Why?

Me: Once you have established a minimum standard the rest of what people pay for is usually wasted. There are loads of knife reviews out there, and very few do much cutting. Do you know why? Because it takes ages to blunt a knife cutting the kinds of things most people cut. Testers usually have to rig situations to show up differences. Usually folks can't be bothered.

Consumer: So why did you get me to buy a Spyderco?

Me: You said you liked mine and wanted to spend yay much on a knife.

Consumer: But I didn't have to.

Me: Of course not. Look at what you use it for.

Consumer: So I could have spent less.

Me: Much less.

Consumer: Like how much?

Me: I can't answer that. You could also have spent much more and been happy too.

Consumer: I don't understand.

Me: Look at this one. That's £12 of SRM 710, and it works great. I use it for all sorts of things and it makes me happy. There's another company that makes a knife very similar for many many times the price. I'm sure it is a nicer object but for me would work no better. We could sit here cutting up shoes or something to see which holds an edge the longest, but really. On the flipside there are people that have the expensive version that do little more than peel an apple with it 'cos they don't have their own teeth. Do you think they need the superior edge retention? Nope, fools if they think they do. Should they enjoy their knife? Damn right, if it makes them happy.

Consumer: So why do people like them?

Me: Why do people look up “painal”? One size does not fit all. There are a lot of motivations. The more I know about knives the better I can fit them to my motives. Others pick different ones for different motives, or even the same ones for different motives.
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Snip there 'cos it drags on. Consumer is a mate I smoke with whilst fishing. He'll come good eventually. :)
 
Mine are usually something along the of "what kind of knife is that?" followed by "oh never heard of that" (common brands, Kershaw etc.).

That or the worst..."Gerber knives are the best..."* or "why didn't you just buy a Gerber?"*

*Yes, I hate modern Gerber knives, I make no bones about that. I recognize that they once made solid knives, but those days were LONG ago. Nowadays, most of their stuff is made in China and is junk sold at Walmart and Academy to people to who don't know any better. And then there's the Bear Grylls line...I won't go there.

To be completely honest I will admit I have become a bit of a knife snob. However, I remember years ago when my cousin borrowed and lost my only knife at the time (mid 90s Spyderco Delica fully serrated) and I had no money. I ended up buying a fairly cheap Gerber. I have to be honest, I did not like the way it looked or how it opened compared to my lost Delica, but it cut perfectly. I think most of us could get by fine with much less "knife", but then again what fun would that be? I love checking the tracking number on my iPhone 50 times a day to see if my new knife is stuck in some far off state or sitting all alone at my front door waiting for me to come home!
 
That or the worst..."Gerber knives are the best..."* or "why didn't you just buy a Gerber?"

Because Gerbers are made by Chinese slave laborers who only get two minute bathroom breaks. X brand knives are made in America, by people who take pride in their work, and actually care about what their names go on.
 
I have never yet been in a conversation where knives came up unless I brought up the subject.

My pocket knife is hidden in my pocket unless I am using it, and mine are not especially large or scary looking so no one has ever commented.
 
I've found the conversations go rather well once they find out how expensive it is.
Even an $80 folder seems expensive to a non-knife person, let along a $500 knife.

It turns the conversation to the merits of the hobby, the craftsmanship, and the utility of it as a tool as well.

Them: "Why do you carry that weapon?"
Me: "Actually, it is quite useful as a tool, and is also a collectable...this one cost $300."
Them: "Wow, that's a lot! What makes it cost so much more than the ones at Wal-Mart?"

And now you have a conversation going which can actually lead someplace positive. :thumbup:
You summed me up nicely. I always toss in how much it cost at the start. And then they ask ME questions instead of talking about how awesome Gerbers are.
 
domesticated sheep lady: "Isn't that illegal to carry? , why do you carry a weapon?"

me: "It isn't illegal to carry a pocket knife, real men carry and own tools such as wrenches, ratchets, sockets, hammers and screwdrivers and a knife is just another tool that is useful for everyday tasks to fix or cut things"
 
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No one's ever asked me, either. I was sitting around the waiting area of Microcenter a couple of weeks ago and some guy had a slipjoint knife and trying to open a thick bubblewrapped laser printer cartridge. It didn't take more than a few moments to realize that if I didn't do something, that guy's blood was going to be going all over the counter. So I reached in the nylon pouch next to my flashlight and brought out my Cold Steel Gunsite Voyager. I opened it and offered it to him, handle first. The fellow was an Asian of some sort, but he didn't waste any time staring at it. He looked at it, smiled, took it and said, "That knife should do the job." Even with that Gunsite 5-inch blade, that guy had to really work on that bubblewrap (huge air pockets that were taped and retaped). But within about twelve seconds, he had cut through the packaging and then he handed me back the knife and said, "I need to get one of those."

Years ago I had lodged my Boy Scout blade into a piece of wood I was whittlin'. I went to pull the blade out and it wouldn't come. So I began to wiggle the blade, which snapped forward and into my fingers. I had done quite a bit of aimless whittlin' as a Boy Scout, and I had escaped a few snaps, but this one got me. My first thought was, "Hey, no blood...how can that be?" As if on cue it suddenly came up out of the deep gash and pretty soon it was splattering all over the place. I got stitches and had to change my bandages. It was then that I determined that slipjoint knives weren't worth spit. I know a lot of you like 'em and to you the best of luck, but they aren't for me. There's got to be a lock and a good one at that! Liner locks are so-so, frame locks are better, then I like LAWKS, lock backs and then, the ultimate new Tri-Ad lock design offered by Cold Steel. The lock-backs are fine for me and I trust them and prefer the smaller, lighter models with VG1.

But as stated above, most knives, regardless of steel, are very usable. The 4- and 5-inch Voyagers now in production are one of my favorite knives, and I think Cold Steel's heat treat is outstanding regardless of the steel. I ordinarily hate 440A, but my Cold Steel 440A blades are pretty much indistinguishable in performance from my AUS8. Plus, those on my Night Force and Pro-Lite came so sharp people were complaining of getting nicks just trying to thumb the blade. Whereas cheap 440A I can't sharpen regardless of how long I work on it, the CS 440A takes just a few swipes to get back in proper shape.

Bottom line, the only problem I ever had with someone was a secretary in my office who needed a thick package opened. Her scissors just weren't making it, but I took out my Cold Steel 4-inch Voyager and opened it in seconds. Later my boss called me in and asked to see my knife. So like any clear thinking guy in an office full of women, I pulled out my 3-inch Voyager (same model as the 4-incher in my other pocket, but smaller). She had apparently been expecting the knife to be larger, but she told me that I didn't need a knife as part of my job requirements, and she asked me not to bring my knife to work anymore. And being a good employee, I took both knives home and left them there. The next day, I took my CS Voyager 5-inch and later that year, after being ganged up on by two Red Setter dogs and barely escaping without a bite. After that, I carried my Cold Steel Vaquero Grande, with a 6-inch serrated blade, but the secretaries never saw it. And next time they needed help cutting something, I wasn't available. Here I was getting in trouble for a 4-inch knife (3-inch, really), and here these two women were jabbing their 7-inch scissor blades into the package with complete impunity!

Only in Amerika. I'm just glad I outsmarted them. And I never brought those smaller knives back again!

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No one's ever asked me, either. I was sitting around the waiting area of Microcenter a couple of weeks ago and some guy had a slipjoint knife and trying to open a thick bubblewrapped laser printer cartridge. It didn't take more than a few moments to realize that if I didn't do something, that guy's blood was going to be going all over the counter. So I reached in the nylon pouch next to my flashlight and brought out my Cold Steel Gunsite Voyager. I opened it and offered it to him, handle first. The fellow was an Asian of some sort, but he didn't waste any time staring at it. He looked at it, smiled, took it and said, "That knife should do the job." Even with that Gunsite 5-inch blade, that guy had to really work on that bubblewrap (huge air pockets that were taped and retaped). But within about twelve seconds, he had cut through the packaging and then he handed me back the knife and said, "I need to get one of those."

Years ago I had lodged my Boy Scout blade into a piece of wood I was whittlin'. I went to pull the blade out and it wouldn't come. So I began to wiggle the blade, which snapped forward and into my fingers. I had done quite a bit of aimless whittlin' as a Boy Scout, and I had escaped a few snaps, but this one got me. My first thought was, "Hey, no blood...how can that be?" As if on cue it suddenly came up out of the deep gash and pretty soon it was splattering all over the place. I got stitches and had to change my bandages. It was then that I determined that slipjoint knives weren't worth spit. I know a lot of you like 'em and to you the best of luck, but they aren't for me. There's got to be a lock and a good one at that! Liner locks are so-so, frame locks are better, then I like LAWKS, lock backs and then, the ultimate new Tri-Ad lock design offered by Cold Steel. The lock-backs are fine for me and I trust them and prefer the smaller, lighter models with VG1.

But as stated above, most knives, regardless of steel, are very usable. The 4- and 5-inch Voyagers now in production are one of my favorite knives, and I think Cold Steel's heat treat is outstanding regardless of the steel. I ordinarily hate 440A, but my Cold Steel 440A blades are pretty much indistinguishable in performance from my AUS8. Plus, those on my Night Force and Pro-Lite came so sharp people were complaining of getting nicks just trying to thumb the blade. Whereas cheap 440A I can't sharpen regardless of how long I work on it, the CS 440A takes just a few swipes to get back in proper shape.

Bottom line, the only problem I ever had with someone was a secretary in my office who needed a thick package opened. Her scissors just weren't making it, but I took out my Cold Steel 4-inch Voyager and opened it in seconds. Later my boss called me in and asked to see my knife. So like any clear thinking guy in an office full of women, I pulled out my 3-inch Voyager (same model as the 4-incher in my other pocket, but smaller). She had apparently been expecting the knife to be larger, but she told me that I didn't need a knife as part of my job requirements, and she asked me not to bring my knife to work anymore. And being a good employee, I took both knives home and left them there. The next day, I took my CS Voyager 5-inch and later that year, after being ganged up on by two Red Setter dogs and barely escaping without a bite. After that, I carried my Cold Steel Vaquero Grande, with a 6-inch serrated blade, but the secretaries never saw it. And next time they needed help cutting something, I wasn't available. Here I was getting in trouble for a 4-inch knife (3-inch, really), and here these two women were jabbing their 7-inch scissor blades into the package with complete impunity!

Only in Amerika. I'm just glad I outsmarted them. And I never brought those smaller knives back again!

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I carry a Leatherman Micra for when I have to cut in front of more 'tame' people, even though the effort is increased. I learned my lesson when flipping my no brand crap folding knife out in front of one of my friends basically to cut a string and he flipped out saying it was illegal because it was over 3 inches, it was actually 2.7 inches or something like that but the "tang" of the folding knife made it appear larger. He then tried to convince me that SAKs are the largest you can carry around in MI. I know to keep my Utilitac II and Spydies far away from him.
 
"You know the blade can only be as big as your four fingers right?"

(I pull out my knifeup.com bookmark on my phone) "Read this. Read all of it"
 
In the U.K., putting blunt, rounded ends on knives is the rave. The country seems to be on the verge of treating knives like guns. Needless to say, carrying actual knives is outlawed (except for your run-of-the-mill 3-inch slipjoint Swiss Army Knives). Cops can stop you, question you and search you if they feel you're trying to hide something. And if you're caught carrying a locking knife, it's treated as a fixed-blade knife, and you can be imprisoned for up to four years and fined $7,500. And this from a country with light murder sentences!

Back when people carried knives for protection, it was the British, I think, who first began providing guests knives with rounded points. Apparently, arguments at the dinner table occasionally ended in bloodshed, and when hosts began providing dinner knives, it became gauche to bring your own.

People have become so jumpy as society becomes more violent. I remember one Halloween, our neighbor brought his kids inside the house so we could better see their costumes. The only problem is that on Halloweens, I keep a loaded revolver handy on a nearby table, tucked inside a zippered pouch (unzippered). Our neighbor saw it, but never indicated any shock. He did leave quickly after seeing it. We began doing things like this after the Washington, D.C., sniper incident some years ago. We also live near a high school and on Halloween we get a stream of high school students trick or treating -- people we didn't know -- and some of them are...bizarre. When opening the door every ten or fifteen minutes, it's better to be cautious. But it's also good to be discreet, and when someone one doesn't know well produces a four- or five-inch folding blade knife, it can shake them up a bit. The very secretaries who complained about my Cold Steel knife each had scissors with 7-inch blades. I think Hollywood has a lot to do with how knives are perceived.
 
In the U.K., putting blunt, rounded ends on knives is the rave. The country seems to be on the verge of treating knives like guns. Needless to say, carrying actual knives is outlawed (except for your run-of-the-mill 3-inch slipjoint Swiss Army Knives). Cops can stop you, question you and search you if they feel you're trying to hide something. And if you're caught carrying a locking knife, it's treated as a fixed-blade knife, and you can be imprisoned for up to four years and fined $7,500. And this from a country with light murder sentences!

Back when people carried knives for protection, it was the British, I think, who first began providing guests knives with rounded points. Apparently, arguments at the dinner table occasionally ended in bloodshed, and when hosts began providing dinner knives, it became gauche to bring your own.

People have become so jumpy as society becomes more violent. I remember one Halloween, our neighbor brought his kids inside the house so we could better see their costumes. The only problem is that on Halloweens, I keep a loaded revolver handy on a nearby table, tucked inside a zippered pouch (unzippered). Our neighbor saw it, but never indicated any shock. He did leave quickly after seeing it. We began doing things like this after the Washington, D.C., sniper incident some years ago. We also live near a high school and on Halloween we get a stream of high school students trick or treating -- people we didn't know -- and some of them are...bizarre. When opening the door every ten or fifteen minutes, it's better to be cautious. But it's also good to be discreet, and when someone one doesn't know well produces a four- or five-inch folding blade knife, it can shake them up a bit. The very secretaries who complained about my Cold Steel knife each had scissors with 7-inch blades. I think Hollywood has a lot to do with how knives are perceived.

Yeah, that and schools (at least modern ones). I really don't get the fear. Some people act like knives can jump out and stab them, it's kind of like how the Indonesians belive a Kris can come out of its sheath and kill at night then return.
 
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