sharp things found in my grandpa's basement

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I just got finished restoring a couple of knives that I salvaged from my grandpa's basement, and I thought I would post some pictures. I'm going to link to the pictures because they are big and will probably mess up the text formatting.

Here's the first one, it's a big 27" long machete.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~robgaunt/pics/knives/machete.jpg

Despite the length, it feels really light because of some distal taper. I used it to hack up some weeds that were in my way and it worked really nice.

When I picked it up, the handle was cracked all over and falling off, and the blade was nicked and covered in rust. I cleaned it up, sharpened it, and put on a new handle made of Bloodwood. I also contoured the handle to make it more comfortable. The handle "pins" are pieces of copper wire that I bought at the Home Depot, and the thong hole is 1/4" OD copper tubing for refrigerators (also from the Home Depot).

There are some markings on the ricasso area:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~robgaunt/pics/knives/machete_markings.JPG

It says:
Legitmus
Collins & Co.
Hartford
Acero Fino
Calidad
Gapantizado
and the number "278".

If anybody knows anything about this, please tell me. I'm sure I ruined any antique value by putting on a new handle, but I'm not planning on using and not selling this knife.

The second knife is more interesting, I posted a picture of this before and someone said it was from the Phillipines.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~robgaunt/pics/knives/phillipine_knife.jpg

This one is 24" long. When I found it, it did not have a handle. I had no idea what the handle was supposed to look like so I went to the Valiant Co. website and got some inspiration. The handle on this one is made of Bubinga, again with copper fittings and pin.

I finished the handles on this knife and the machete using a product called "Nelsonite". It's a wood stabilizer, and it's really easy to use. You just dip the piece of wood in the Nelsonite, hold it for 30 seconds, and then pull it out. It stabilizes, hardens, and waterproofs the wood. You can also apply surface finishes like tung oil over the Nelsonite. It costs $18 per gallon plus ~$10 S/H, and you can order it from the Nelsonite Chemical Products company in Grand Rapids, MI, (616) 456-7098.

Okay, with that aside, back to the actual knife. I etched this one and was suprised to find out that it was damascus. I suspected that it might be because of the little forging flaws where the steel did not weld together properly. It's hard to photograph these patterns, but here is a picture showing the damascus better:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~robgaunt/pics/knives/phillipine_knife_pattern.JPG

Again, if anybody can give me more information on this knife, like what the name of this style blade is, I would appreciate it.

I don't know how a damascus Phillipine knife came to end up in my grandpa's basement. My grandpa says that he doesn't remember owning this knife. But this isn't as strange as my next find:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~robgaunt/pics/knives/tanto.jpg

I found this one corroding away in the bottom of a toolbox filled with rusty, old, files. At the time I thought it was just some cheapo kitchen knife, so I threw it in the pile of files (scrap tool steel) that I was taking home. Later on, I was looking through my scrap steel bucket, and noticed a knife with Japanese markings on it. I pulled it out, cleaned it up, and etched it.

To my suprise, this one had an interesting but subdued pattern to the steel, you can tell that it was folded multiple times. This is difficult to see in the picture because I didn't polish the blade at all before etching. It also has a nice hamon. The length is 14 inches.

Unfortunately, this one has a crack in it. The crack extends from the edge all the way up to the temper line. At least the differential hardening prevented the knife from cracking all the way through. Because of the crack, I haven't done any further restoration.

My grandpa also doesn't know anything about this knife and didn't remember having it. My grandpa served in WW2 but not in the Pacific theatre. Maybe he traded somebody for it or picked it up junking. I theorize that it was brought back from WW2 and badly mistreated. It looks like there are hammer marks on the spine, I think someone used a hammer and this tanto to try to split something, and this is when the crack occured.

There are markings on both sides of the tang. I have no idea what these mean. You can see the markings in the above picture, here is another picture of the markings on the back side:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~robgaunt/pics/knives/tanto_markings.jpg

I would again appreciate any help in understanding these marks.

Anyway, I hope you all found these knives as interesting as I did.
 
Holy Toledo! What a find!

The first is a machete of course. General info here. Translation is "guaranteed quality fine steel"
http://www.vikingsword.com/rila/

I THINK, the second is a philippine blade called an ginunting. You can post an inquiry at http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/index.php? There are plenty of PI experts over there. It's a lovely lovely blade! Isn't it just amazing when you etch one and the pattern starts to show! What luck!

The Japanese tanto is also a sweet find. So sad about the crack. You can check the Nihon-to forum at Swordforums and probably get some info.
http://forums.swordforum.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14


Wow, you did good bud!

Steve
 
Nice work on the machete handle. Very slick.

Where is the crack on the Japanese knife? Lovely shape, be nice to have framed, if nothing else.
 
The crack is hard to see. If you look at the picture you will notice the edge is chipped out in places. The crack goes from the center of one of the chips up to the temper line. It is nearly impossible to identify from the picture. If the steel was all shined up, you could probably see it easily.

Thanks for the links.
 
KM, what Ferguson said!!!! :D

All good finds indeed! From the pix it appears that the Filipino blade is a stacked steel blade, not quite a Damascus so to speak but still an old somewhat antiquated way of doing things and in my mind very desirable.:cool: :D Me Likey!!!! :D

I agree that it's a damned shame that the Japanese blade is cracked but to me it would still also be a desirable piece. Maybe a nice cleaning since it is cracked and not valuable as an antique and then a nice mounting in a shadow box mounted on a nice medium blue or light purple velvet.:cool: :D Me Likey that one also!!!!:D
Can you show us a better pic of the cracked area, also where it appears it was struck with a hard object?
 
Here's a picture of the cracked area.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~robgaunt/pics/knives/crack.jpg

There are three cracks. I sanded longitudinally with some 600 grit sandpaper so they actually show up.

The dented area is on the spine and I can't really get a good picture, so I'll just describe it better. The spine is rounded in areas, and I think that's how it originally was. But in other areas it is flattened out and dented, and in one spot, slightly mushroomed over. You can't see this, but if you can feel the mushrooming if you run your fingers over the spine.

Due to the hardening process, the spine on this knife is pretty soft, so it would probably dent easily under a hammer. I bet somebody was trying to baton it through something, whacking the spine with a rock or hammer.

I might polish this up to 1500 grit and etch it to see the pattern better. Even though it's cracked, this knife is still an interesting piece to set on my desk.

I did some searches for "ginunting" and I do think that ferguson is right about that one. The shape is slightly different but it may have changed slightly over time and repeated sharpenings.
 
Well hell, fatal flaws fer shure.:( :grumpy: People that do such things to blades they have no knowledge of should be subjected to a special form of punishment somehow.

Good idea to take it too a finer grit and then a nice etch. Like you say, "A good desk piece" or a nice mounted piece. The chips in the edge suggest a really hard edge.

I had a chance to buy a pretty nice Katana once and wish I had now in spite of the chips at the point or the lack of saya. For $250.00 I would've still had a nice piece for show and tell.:rolleyes: :grumpy: :(
 
Nice job, KM, and some great finds. I especially like the job you did on the Philippine knife. Sounds like you had a lot if fun.
 
That looks like an interesting old Japanese sword. I would suggest you get it identified before going forward with the polishing. Everything you do to this point lessens its collector's value. Find out what it is and then decide what to do with it. You wouldn't want to inadvertently damage a rare historical artifact.

n2s
 
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