Sharpen a Scandi

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I have a couple of Koster scandis. I undestand Tal sharpens his with Japanese waterstones. I have never sharpened a scandi and don't have waterstones. Others have suggested taping sandpaper on a glass table or granite counter. I think Ray Mears has a video using a waterstone in the field. How would you sharpen a scandi in the field without a waterstone? I guess I could use my Fallkniven diamond plate but it seems a little small. Maybe don't worry about it until you get back to civilization. :confused:
 
i use dmt diafolds in the field ore even varing grits of sand paper stretched over a paint stick
 
You can virtually use any flat sharpening stone you want. I'm using Fallkniven DC3/4 on all my blades (on all 3"-9" blades whether scandi, convex or flatgrind) without any problems when I'm "playing in outside".

It may depend the knife, but generally with a good and suitable initial grind the edge stays sharp for quite some time and sharp enough for most tasks for even longer. Giving it a few strops on a leather belt will be enough most of the time. Don't get me wrong, i can bring my blades to an evil edge with fieldtools as well, but dont allways feel the need to. I fieldsharpen my blade only on longer trips and who really needs a shaving knife outdoors anyways?
 
Thanks guys. My concern was I thought you had to have a solid, flat surface to keep from convexing the edge of a scandi. A wood paddle could bend/flex and stropping could do it naturally. I don't know about flexing of a DMT diafold. A DC4 certainly would not bend and would be more "packable" than a waterstone.
 
I have never needed to sharpen my Kosters in the field. If they are the 3V scandis, I would just strop back to razor in the field. I use a piece of glass and wet/dry paper back at the house.

I must admit, I don't get out for multiple day trips in the field with work and family obligations so maybe I am not a good indicator.
 
I think a KOSTER in 3v will wear down a water stone too fast.

What you need is some strips of wet dry sandpaper and a flat surface to lay them on.

I usually just bring a thick piece of leather to lay the sandpaper on and then lay that on a flat rock.

But my friend just gave me one of these sharpeners and it's super light and with wet dry ideal for a lighweight sharpener in the pack.

http://www.hollowdweller.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2087
 
For those of you suggesting the wet/dry sandpaper, are you pushing the blade edge first like you would do on stones, or spine first like when you're sharpening a convex edge?
 
I think you could use Ray's technique on a scandi that he shows on the FFG blade in this video:

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I've seen the video. I guess I thought he used a waterstone but obviously it was the DC4.

The leather patches from KSF look interesting.

Also I have one 3V knife and one 154CM, which I guess is also pretty hard.
 
Thanks guys. My concern was I thought you had to have a solid, flat surface to keep from convexing the edge of a scandi. A wood paddle could bend/flex and stropping could do it naturally. I don't know about flexing of a DMT diafold. A DC4 certainly would not bend and would be more "packable" than a waterstone.

Simply put, many people push too hard when sharpening or maintaining their cutlery on abrasive papers, diamond stones, honing steels, ceramic rods, natural, water, oil stones, strops, etc. To keep from damaging your bonded diamond surface, let the diamonds do the cutting. Manhandling either the diamond stone or, a strop for that matter, will not render the best of results. If you are bending something like the DMT Diafold while sharpening, you are pushing MUCH too hard.

Whether the need to sharpen (remove metal) actually exists in the field has nothing to do with the amount of time spent in the field, but rather on your *activity level with the knife* while in the field. In this case, it doesn't much matter what someone else requires with regards to knife maintenance, but what do you require with your activity level in your environment, is the question.

The small diamond stones (Fallkniven, DMT, Eze-lap, Lansky, Kershaw, Chefs Choice, Gerber, etc., etc.,) will all do an adequate job of maintaining your Scandinavian knife in the field...providing your bevels were flat to begin with. Flattening bevels on a Scandi-grind with something like a small stone is something I wouldn't wish on anyone. I have better things to do with my time, myself.

Consistent and persistent (when needed) stropping will often keep you from having to actually haul out the sharpening stone. If you want to avoid the slight convex edge that can occur when stropping on soft strops loaded with honing compounds (many people prefer a very slight convex edge on their bevels), a firm surface is what you will want to use (can be leather glued to a paint stick or belt laid over a stump or rock, so on and so forth). I have stropped on my pant leg or belt with adequate results for the moment.

BTW, I have stacks (all brands, sizes, shapes, flavors) of synthetic water stones in the shop. Water stones have the ability to cut very quickly or, polish and refine to a mirror finish as one graduates through the grits. Scandinavian grinds work best with polished bevels since Scandinavian grinds are specifically intended to work with softwoods. My quailty wood chisels, plane blades, carving knives, other wood cutting tools all have polished grinds. Many of these are sharpened on the high maintenance water stones because of their unique characteristics and efficiency.
 
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This is what I keep mine tuned up with http://www.elitetacticalgear.net/modmd8c.html, I have the three in the pic coarse fine and extra fine. I dont think that I would want to tote them around in the woods tho. Guess that is why is just my day trip knife or overniter. If I was going in for longer than that I would take one of my convexs. But love the ease of sharpening a scandi. And I can get it sharper than any other grind.
 
Simply put, many people push too hard when sharpening or maintaining their cutlery on abrasive papers, diamond stones, honing steels, ceramic rods, natural, water, oil stones, strops, etc. To keep from damaging your bonded diamond surface, let the diamonds do the cutting. Manhandling either the diamond stone or, a strop for that matter, will not render the best of results. If you are bending something like the DMT Diafold while sharpening, you are pushing MUCH too hard.

Whether the need to sharpen (remove metal) actually exists in the field has nothing to do with the amount of time spent in the field, but rather on your *activity level with the knife* while in the field. In this case, it doesn't much matter what someone else requires with regards to knife maintenance, but what do you require with your activity level in your environment, is the question.

The small diamond stones (Fallkniven, DMT, Eze-lap, Lansky, Kershaw, Chefs Choice, Gerber, etc., etc.,) will all do an adequate job of maintaining your Scandinavian knife in the field...providing your bevels were flat to begin with. Flattening bevels on a Scandi-grind with something like a small stone is something I wouldn't wish on anyone. I have better things to do with my time, myself.

Consistent and persistent (when needed) stropping will often keep you from having to actually haul out the sharpening stone. If you want to avoid the slight convex edge that can occur when stropping on soft strops loaded with honing compounds (many people prefer a very slight convex edge on their bevels), a firm surface is what you will want to use (can be leather glued to a paint stick or belt laid over a stump or rock, so on and so forth). I have stropped on my pant leg or belt with adequate results for the moment.

BTW, I have stacks (all brands, sizes, shapes, flavors) of synthetic water stones in the shop. Water stones have the ability to cut very quickly or, polish and refine to a mirror finish as one graduates through the grits. Scandinavian grinds work best with polished bevels since Scandinavian grinds are specifically intended to work with softwoods. My quailty wood chisels, plane blades, carving knives, other wood cutting tools all have polished grinds. Many of these are sharpened on the high maintenance water stones because of their unique characteristics and efficiency.

that's an awesome post.
 
I've seen the video. I guess I thought he used a waterstone but obviously it was the DC4.

The leather patches from KSF look interesting.

Also I have one 3V knife and one 154CM, which I guess is also pretty hard.

I have seen him sharpening both his knife and axe on waterstones
And the vidio was 'sharpening in the field'
 
Use a EZE-lap or DMT credit card diamond sharpener. Keep the knife stationary and move the sharpener across the blade. I draw the sharpener from the back of the blade and change hands when moving from side to side.
 
At home, I use a 6x2 piece of flattened alum. plate, with sheets of sandpaper cut to 8x2. To attach, I use a couple small pieces of duck tape to secure the overhung sandpaper to the bottem, then I use a couple pieces rolled over on them selves to secure the plate to my workbench. Works great, and looks like the dmt diamond stones.
 
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