Sharpening a convex blade like an Opinel

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Hey folks, quick question.

How do you sharpen a convex blade like an Opinel...... with stones.

I don't have a strop and it seems a bit silly to spend $30 to $130 on a strop and abrasive compound for such an inexpensive knife.

I know another common way is to use sandpaper, which seems like a quick way to ruin the blade finish. Also, without some sort of flexible material to put the sandpaper on, you're essentially putting a flat edge on it.

I've had a little experience sharpening axes with stones, but that seems a bit fiddlely for a small blade.

Is there a good way to sharpen these knives? i have a Lansky system, which I figure is pretty useless for the task, and a pair of rather expensive bench stones (soft and hard).

Thanks!
 
I use a larger norton idia combo stone for the rough sharpening if it gets really dull, and for setting the edge when I get a new knife, then I finish on a soft or hard Arkansas pocket stone or a cheap ceramic rod.
I find the ceramic rod does a better job on my opinels than my Arkansas for some unknown reason. But either way will shave hair.
You do not have to convex sharpen an opinel, you can do so the same as you would any other thin bladed knife.
 
I just ignore the convex edge and put straight bevels on mine.

If you want to keep the convex edge, wet/dry auto paper and a mouse pad, or the top of a Yellow Pages phone book would work. When I convex I usually go 400, 800, 1000 & 2000 if I want to go that high.
 
I just sharpen mine on a SharpMaker. No special gadgetry or wizardry involved. :thumbup:
 
I just sharpen mine on a SharpMaker. No special gadgetry or wizardry involved. :thumbup:

Same here. And I've never spent a lot on strops. I just use a scrap of leather on a table. (I also bought an old leather belt at Goodwill and used that)
 
Opinels come with a small (sometimes very) microbevel anyway. And the convex blade grind is very subtle anyway, often mistaken for a flat grind. Either with it or without, there's no significant issue in sharpening it just like any other V-edged blade. In fact, as thin as the blade is, the Sharpmaker would handle it easily, as would most any other hone/stone.

If you do wish to maintain a full convex, just 'stropping' the blade at a shallow angle (flush), on some sandpaper (silicon carbide wet/dry, or aluminum oxide) over a firm or hard backing, is a very easy way to sharpen these. Anything from 320 grit and up will work well, depending on desired edge finish. And it WILL maintain some convex, done this way in a stropping fashion. The degree of convex will be more subtle on firmer backing (I like wood or glass), but it'll still be there. This is how I've maintained mine, though to higher finish at 2000+ grit; see below.


David
 
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...I know another common way is to use sandpaper, which seems like a quick way to ruin the blade finish. Also, without some sort of flexible material to put the sandpaper on, you're essentially putting a flat edge on it.

Don't go too coarse. 600 or 800 grit sandpaper won't hurt your finish, it will tend polish it up if anything. A mousepad works fine as a base, almost everyone has one of those. Or heavy, flat cardboard, or a leather belt. I like a leather base, personally. Just remember, the softer the base the less pressure you need, and you never need a lot no matter what.
 
I use a stone. I hold the stone in a clamp and hold the handle with one hand and put my fingers from the other hand along the length of the blade. Then I rotate my wrists with each stroke to get the convex edge. But not with Opinels. I find my Opinels work better with a more conventional secondary bevel.
 
I use a mouse pad with some waterproof sandpaper grid 400 up to 2000 for years on my opinel and works fine for me, after i strop it on my leather belt and its razor sharp, ps and cost nothing;)
Take care Igor
 
A good strop for cheap is a yard sale or thrift store belt for maybe $.25 charged with valve grinding compound.

With use the rather large abrasive particles become imbedded within the leather and give a fairly fine finish.

Gives a good working edge to my opinels and doesn't take much work with 320 or better emory cloth afterwards to go finer.
 
How do you sharpen a convex blade like an Opinel...... with stones.
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Is there a good way to sharpen these knives? i have a Lansky system, which I figure is pretty useless for the task, and a pair of rather expensive bench stones (soft and hard).

I distinguish between the shape of the grind (from edge to spine) and the shape of the bevel (near the cutting edge).

As I understand it, you can have a hollow grind with a convex bevel and a convex grind with a 'V' bevel and so on.

I've not cracked the code on putting a true convex edge bevel on a knife using any technique. I use a Lansky on my Opinels to put a faux convex bevel on by setting an aggressive back bevel at 17 degrees, a secondary bevel at 20 degrees and a final primary cutting bevel at 25 degrees. I use my knives sort of hard so I'm playing with the larger angle in hopes of extending edge life somewhat.

I find I like this faux-convex better for making wood shavings. I'm hoping that stropping somewhat softens the transitions of the bevel surfaces towards a real convex. For me, Lansky == training wheels and that's ok with me.

I don't have a strop and it seems a bit silly to spend $30 to $130 on a strop and abrasive compound for such an inexpensive knife.
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I know another common way is to use sandpaper, which seems like a quick way to ruin the blade finish.

Different answers for all of us. I've polished out Opinels to a mirror polish using wet/dry in the same way that I restored old bike parts. Opinels new have pretty crude factory grind marks on them and removing them does make them slip through wood better. In any event, I see wet/dry as a part of the solution to maintaining a mirror finish, especially if you're using above 1000 grit.

If you have access to a junk leather belt, that a piece of scrap wood and some white glue gets you your strop for cheap.

I've found that stropping blade sides (and bolsters) with green compound is a nice way to maintain high polish.




If you do wish to maintain a full convex, just 'stropping' the blade at a shallow angle (flush), on some sandpaper (silicon carbide wet/dry, or aluminum oxide) over a firm or hard backing, is a very easy way to sharpen these. Anything from 320 grit and up will work well, depending on desired edge finish. And it WILL maintain some convex, done this way in a stropping fashion. The degree of convex will be more subtle on firmer backing (I like wood or glass), but it'll still be there. This is how I've maintained mine, though to higher finish at 2000+ grit; see below.

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David, do you do this to
a) Maintain the blade grind
b) Maintain the cutting edge/bevel
c) Both?

I've not been able to get any knife back to hair popping using this method and it occurs to me looking at your pictures that you've kept a better blade grind than I do by just focusing on the edge bevel. I tend to oversharpen my Opinels using the Lansky (or DMT stones), get some blade loss and then I NEED to back bevel with the Lansky as I back the edge up into the thicker part of the blade.

I really should just give up on popping hair, I think. But am curious if you actually maintain the edge bevel with your technique.

(PS - I owe you more than you can know for your incredibly helpful posts. If you ever wonder if anybody out here is grateful, don't. You've really helped open up sharpening at all for me and I'm very, very much in your debt.)
 
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David, do you do this to
a) Maintain the blade grind
b) Maintain the cutting edge/bevel
c) Both?

Simple answer: Yes. :D

I laid the blade flush to sandpaper (over a few layers of printer paper, over glass), and sanded to a zero-edge, removing any trace of the original factory microbevel. Both thinned the blade (or the lower 1/3 or so, anyway) and honed the edge at the same time, taking it to 2000+ grit, plus additional polishing on 3M polishing sheets and an assortment of different strops/compounds. I've been maintaining it entirely on strops. Lately, that's been either or both of SiC 600 grit on balsa, or green compound on balsa, followed by green on sueded leather and then bare leather (sueded). The SiC and/or green on balsa has taken the sharpness up some additional notches, and it's been getting much easier to keep both the 'carbone' and the Inox blade hair-popping. The SiC compound works pretty aggressively on the thin edge, and I've been able to use it to gradually thin the edge even more.

I've not been able to get any knife back to hair popping using this method and it occurs to me looking at your pictures that you've kept a better blade grind than I do by just focusing on the edge bevel. I tend to oversharpen my Opinels using the Lansky (or DMT stones), get some blade loss and then I NEED to back bevel with the Lansky as I back the edge up into the thicker part of the

I really should just give up on popping hair, I think. But am curious if you actually maintain the edge bevel with your technique.

(PS - I owe you more than you can know for your incredibly helpful posts. If you ever wonder if anybody out here is grateful, don't. You've really helped open up sharpening at all for me and I'm very, very much in your debt.)

For me, the big takeaway from how I've been doing it, is how easily pressure/angle can be regulated and controlled, by laying the blade essentially flush to the sandpaper and strops. I LOVE edge-trailing sharpening overall, and more so when the blade's grind is conducive to doing it flush to the honing surface. It's been much easier for me to minimize burring/wires this way, and when refining a very thin edge, that's about 95% of the battle. In recent days, I've been experimenting using coarser grits in a similar edge-trailing manner, and have been getting some great new toothy edges, still hair-popping, on things like 150-grit aluminum oxide sandpaper (over balsa) and even on an XC DMT hone, with minimal additional stropping on leather with green compound. This has confirmed to me that the trailing technique is rock-solid at very coarse, very fine, or any grit in between.

All that said, Thank You for your kind words. It's always nice to get some positive feedback occasionally, and makes me feel better about the 'advice' I sometimes post here. I know what's been working for me, and enjoy sharing it here, but I can't always be sure that recommending the same to others is necessarily the best thing, sometimes. It's nice to hear when some good comes out of it. :)


David
 
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I used $400 in Japanese waterstones to sharpen my opinel. I'm sorry but I don't get this silliness of comparing knife cost to the cost of sharpening tools, it seems to be a popular comment that makes no sense, just like "for that price I'll buy a new knife" yes, to just have more dull objects!

A knife is a tool that requires constant maintenance and the cost of the maintenance tools has no bearing on the cost of the knife.

So on to the question....

Just sharpen as you would any knife, the convex on these is so thin and the factory edge so bad "just stropping" probably wouldn't work out too well.

P.S. David, very nice work!
 
Pinnah, make a small "knee" in about 7 degrees on one of your guide rods just behind the sharpener, or, bend the guide rods 90 degree bend about 7 degrees more. This will make the sharpener to make a controled curve across the edge = the edge will be convex.

7 degrees bend (or knee) will give you a convex sphere in around 3 degrees when you use the complete length of the sharpener across the edge. If you use only half the length, you will get 1,5 degree convex sphere ( convex curve).

Thomas
 
Thomas, my inner formal calculus teacher thanks you. Actually, thank your math teacher for me!
 
Pinnah, my sharpening tools have sins 10 years back, sharpen also convex edges with the help of a bended, or angled, guide rods.

My tool Chef sharpens convex edges with wanted degrees on the convex cutting edge - and also with wanted degrees on the convex sphere.

Chef can grind for example an edge with 3 degree convex sphere and 13 degree convex cutting edge per blade side, it is just to adjust Chef to it. Any wanted degree in any wanted convex sphere - and it is repeatable.

If you visit my homepage, (edgepal.com) go to: slipverktyg, Chef, video Chef. And look at the videos there, an English text describes what the videos shows.

Look also on: precisionsslipning (precision sharpening) where I show a picture on an edge with two grinded surfaces, there is 1 hundred part of 1 degree differance between those two surfaces = 0.01 degree. That is how fine it is possible to control the edge angle.

I am retired. My hobby is to make sharpening tools by hand. I enjoy to solve sharpening problems on edged tools.

Thomas
 
Huh, I didn't even realize that my opi's were convex :p

Oh well, I just sharpen them like all my other knives.

Hmm, come to think of it I never learned the proper way to sharpen knives or the terminology that goes with it. I guess I just sort've felt my way through it. Somehow I was able to achieve good results enough until my relatives, friends, relatives friends started asking me to shapren their knives. All I can say is just follow gut
 
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There is also this way to do it…

The longer the distance is from the pivot point - the lower will the edge angle be.
Use a long sharpener. Make a pivot point. Fasten the blade in a file holder (knife neck holder) and move the edge along the stone – and when you have find the correct distance and heigt of the pivot point – you can convex your edge – or maintain your convex edge.
Simple and functional.
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Thomas
 
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