Sharpening A-Ha!

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I am trying to hone my skills as a free hand knife sharpener with 4 stones and a strop. So i am wondering, what was your knife sharpening A-Ha moment where you found the secret to getting hair popping edges on your blades and how do you do it?

Thanks,
Nick G.
Buffalo, NY
 
I went and visited Richard J. He's been sharpening professionally for a very long time, and shared a lot of expertise with me. He taught me with paper wheels, but everything he taught me also applies to using my waterstones. Everyone knows the fundamentals, the secret is to actually stick to it and apply all the fundamentals :)
 
My moment was when I learned about creating a burr to confirm you have reached apex.
 
To get to hair popping and beyond, the a-ha moment was fully appreciating the importance of edge clean up after apexing. That and making sure I am actually scratching the entire bevel all the way to the apex with each progressive stone. It's surprisingly easy for me to undershoot it with finishing stones, leaving my knife with a finely-polished primary bevel but a rougher, lower-grit apex that will be plenty sharp and cleanly slice newsprint but that will not fully reflect the finishing stones' potential, at least for me the way I sharpen. So it's just something I know to be aware of as I sharpen.

These are on top of other little a-ha moments over the years: little manipulations to keep both sides even and the bevel even from heel to tip, little manipulations to keep the edge evenly sharp from heel to tip, how to use pressure, how to gauge for angles freehand, judging wear resistance, etc., etc.
 
When I finally felt the blade slide over the stone when the bevel was perfectly flat against the stone and realized that I was honing not trying to change the bevel angle. That and stropping on a leather strop with compound were my two big moments.
 
My biggest AHA moment wasn't about getting best results, it was about getting consistent control. Was experimenting with small circular grinding on the stone, circles about the size of a nickel. Realized my bevels were much more flat all along the entire length. Didn't care for how the grind pattern developed, but figured I could apply this to a fore and aft type stroke. Switched to a very short scrubbing motion (nod to Murray Carter) and broke the edge up into small overlapping sections, instead of the full sweeping movements I had been doing.

Way more consistency of angle, far better control of burr formation/creation at different spots along the length, ability to comfortably do any size blade on much smaller stones.


A second was learning to backhone on waterstones and jointer stones with a fairly high degree of precision. For a long time I didn't realize it was possible to do so without raising a burr (another nod to MC).

A close third was when I started experimenting with lapping on hardwood and other unconventional grinding methods - really helped me understand what abrasives were doing during different operations and how they were getting it done. Led to very expedient sharpening practices and directly influenced the creation of the Washboard for finishing edges off and maintaining them.

At some point in there I have to include sitting down and watching Murray Carter's Fundamentals. I was already coming around to a style very similar to his at this time, but watching him pound through a small pile of knives in a very workmanlike manner made a lasting impression.
 
Many of my A-ha moments came while spending a great deal of time looking at my edges under a microscope. Seeing what was really happening at each stage of the sharpening process answered a lot of questions about my technique and what I needed to do differently. It also gave me a better understanding of what my fingers were feeling and what various types of defects looked like to the naked eye which pretty much solves a lot of the mystery in sharpening (for me).

The A-ha moments never truly end though they just become more complex.
 
Have to add another AHA moment, when I realized a need to tailor the edge to the chore - that there is no one type of edge prep that can claim to outperform all others at every task.

At one point we were having a lot of trouble with the inline sheeters on our presses choking on heavy cover stock, especially clay coated papers. This required the operator to manually cut the jam out - several 20" passes each time, and rethread the press. I had made a ton of progress in terms of a refined edge - not quite hair whittling (my finest stone was a hard Arkansas), but could shave my face pretty comfortably and crosscut light paper with a push. My edges weren't lasting long at work, at all. My coworkers on the floor started declining to have me touch up their knives for the same reason. I started testing all my edges from a coarse reprofiled edge up to what was my best refined edge. Then started moving downward in grit. My best performing edges in this environment came from a 60 grit stone - they could shear through this nightmare cover stock many times more efficiently than the fine edge I had been killing myself to produce and lasted weeks instead of days. My coworkers started testing them and concluded the same.

After achieving my coarse edge and learning to reliably deburr them, was quite content for a long time. Never stopped learning though, and after being able to produce a hair whittling edge set about testing those as well. Was impressed at how this edge type on a 3 1/2" folder could chop through green branches about 3/4" thick, while my coarse edge could barely make it 1/8-1/4" in the same wood. The same coarse edge was capable of parting free-hanging canvas using only the belly of the blade, while the polished edge could barely make a surface cut in the outtermost fibers. Coarse edge tears through the backing of a carpet better, fine edge slides through vinyl flooring better. And on and on.

Added to this was my observation that using the edge type in a complimentary manner could increase its longevity - draw with a coarse edge, press with a fine edge. Now when I move to sharpen a tool, I take into account its primary purpose. General utility I make it somewhere around 600-800 grit / 1200 2k JWS - anything outside that range is a specialty edge and will struggle if used for a task too far on the opposing end of the spectrum...IMHO...
 
I actually had my first A-Ha on the spyderco sharpmaker and the diamond rods (hope that counts ;)). I sharpened to an apex, then removed the burr alternating, reduced the pressure, continued on the same stones alternating and for the first time I became aware of how sharp an edge can be off a coarse stone as long as the apex is clean and even, even without stropping (at the same time I realized edge-leading strokes is the way to go to do burr removal, at least on those kind of stones). I still love that kind of edge - but nowadays even more if I come off a coarse stone freehand with the "same" results, ha!!
 
My greatest A-HA! was discovering I loved hand sharpening. Afterwards, it was still critical to put an edge on a knife that was suited for its intended purpose, but it was also disappointing to finish. Kinda like reading the last page of a great book. The sharpening itself became an end, not a means to an end. Perhaps that's why I'm becoming interested in new methods and new materials. So I don't have to stop so soon. I take nothing away from those who use faster methods, but I would take nothing for peaceful hours spent in a harmony of steel, stone, sound and touch.
 
Rather than just blindly sharpening at XYZ angle for ABC strokes or MNO minutes, I found that taking the time to check the edge with a critical eye every so often has really helped me out.
 
Had my aha moment today. Got my DMT Aligner-Pro yesterdayand could not get a reasonable edge on my Imperial Camping knife (50+ years old) or my reasonably new (1998) Buck 110. Went through the forums and youtube to get some tips and best one is that the diamond stones need break in. Tried again on my KA-LOK 2227 got my first burr on the Coarse(Blue). Went through the stones to EEF (Tan) and got arm hair shaving paper push cutting blade. Went back to the Imperial and spent some time with the C, raised burr, took it off on the other side and finished with F (red). Fairly good paper cutter, but better yet seems to be working sharp. Did a made in Poland Gerlach large kitchen knife I got in Morocco about 45 years ago. Got the blade burr with C and worked up to EF (green). Hair cutting, paper pushing sharp. Will see how it stands up to my wife's maltreatment. Got a black (XC) on order.

OT
 
Others have covered most of this already. For me it's been three major things:

1. Raising a burr, FULL length, on BOTH sides of the blade with the coarse stone before moving on. It's so basic, but I missed it for SO LONG. This was huge.
2. Understanding what part of the edge bevel I was grinding on. I spent a long time not knowing what part of the edge my stone was touching and not EVER observing what I was grinding. I feel so ignorant saying that, but it's true. OBSERVATION is such an important part of sharpening and I wasn't doing it. Sharpie and magnification were very important in educating me on this point.
3. "The Japanese Stroke". Using two hands, one on the handle of the knife, and one touching the blade near the edge, using pressure to grind the exact part of the edge I want to grind. It's so much more stable than a one handed stroke. You have control over the angle. You have control over what part of the edge you are grinding. I wish I'd learned this 20... no 30 years ago!

Considering the amount of time I've been *trying* to sharpen knives, I am a horrible remedial student. But I feel like I finally have some level of expertise, and the three things above were HUGELY important for *me*.

Brian.
 
It's a thread that the mods feel is helpful enough to permanently link at the top of the forum. If you go back to the main page of this MT&E subforum, at the top of the thread links are several "stickied" threads that are always at the top for easy reference.
 
It's a thread that the mods feel is helpful enough to permanently link at the top of the forum. If you go back to the main page of this MT&E subforum, at the top of the thread links are several "stickied" threads that are always at the top for easy reference.

Mag, shouldn't be shy:www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1014274-What-is-sharpening-a-knife-about

And this one:www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/963298

My own aha was when I found the grit was important, thus went & got sandpaper 1000 grit and made a strop using cardboard and MAAS polish, voila: mirror edge & nice to shave!
 
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