Sharpening Contest Feeler- Pass this idea to the next stall

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This would be a contest with prizes (hey, it sounds like a lot of work). Some may include desirable knives or forum sponserships. I'm interested enough that I will put down some of my own money for this contest, if it happens.

I believe that anyone with enough time on their hands can reprofile and hone a low inclusive angle onto a blade and cleanly slice through tissue paper or TP with ease. With that in mind, let's try something slightly different.

The Contest is as follows: your goal is to find the GREATEST inclusive edge bevel angle that will still cleanly slice (push-cut) in two a single piece of double-ply toilet paper. For reference see videos from Ankerson and others.

The purpose of this contest is to see who can use their sharpening and honing skills along with their knowledge of steels and edge geometries to produce the winning combination. The choice of double-ply toilet paper as the benchmark ensures that the winner must produce a very sharp yet very smooth edge otherwise they risk tearing the test media. To give readers some idea for a starting point: I believe Ankerson has produced some knives with 30-40 degree inclusive bevels that demonstrate the ability to push-cut toilet paper.

This contest is open to anyone registered for this forum and having more than 100 posts as of the contest's starting date(?); It is imperative that you have a way to accurately measure your knife's inclusive edge bevel. Accepted methods include the usage of a guided sharpening system such as the Edge Pro (important details below) or other guided sharpening systems. If you are using an Edge Pro and your knife has a saber grind- resting the knife on the flat (not the bevel) on the blade table when you sharpen means your inclusive angle is double the indicated. However, full flat ground blades or saber ground blades with large bevels that sit on the blade table will be sharpened at LESS than the indicated angles (besides providing a false angle reading, the resulting edge would be better at cutting). With a few caliper measurements and a simple equation a correction can be made to ensure a proper angle setting (I'll elaborate on this later).

Now, If you're a veteran hand-sharpener and know the exact angle at which you sharpen, we may be able to accept that on faith. Otherwise, for everyone else- as long as you use an acceptable method to accurately measure the edge bevel angle it will be a-ok (I'll detail some methods that should work with a calipers and a calculator)

So, what can you use and how many tries do you get?

Well, you get one try for the contest but you can practice as much as you want with as many knives as you want until you think you've gotten it right. Other than that, you may use any pocket knife you like outside the exceptions listed at the bottom. That means you can use blades of any shape, size, steel, edge geometry, and grind as long as it's a folding pocket knife. All participants must provide video proof of the feat, as well a description of the make and model of the pocket knife used, it's blade geometry, grind type, steel, and of course the inclusive angle that was used.

Exceptions and Exclusions

Straight Razor pocket knives are not allowed
Knife blades thinner than 0.XXX inches are not allowed
Microbevels are not allowed due to the difficulty in verify the exact angle present
You can not heat up your knife so that it burns its way through the media




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Good Idea? Eh? How many weeks of prep should be allowed?
 
I find two problems with this contest:
1) There are as many different types of two-ply toilet paper as there are flavors of ice cream, and some are easier to cut than others(say, the ones that have the rough consistency of actual copy paper as opposed to soft tissue, which also makes me feel sorry for the people that use them).
2) It would be an exercise in futility with knifenut1013 in the house:p.
 
I would think that for the contest that Charman Red Label TP would be the standard test media used.

For the Contest I will not enter it as I already know I can do it so to be fair to others I won't enter it. :)
 
Sounds like fun and I might give it a shot but what grit for a minimal finish? what's the lowest grit you can use?

I highly doubt any hand sharpener will match the EP results but it will be fun to see.
 
Sounds like a fun idea...

I'd be interested in competing, but I'm not really sure my equipment is very orthodox. Sounds like my angle measuring method is sound--interesting that I just posted a thread asking how to do such a thing before reading this one too.

I can also do it by hand or with my DMT aligner clamp, but I don't really use the aligner clamp like most people do; I use the rod as a prop and it glides along the table top to form the guide.

In any case, I'm interested
 
I'll let this stew then, because I think it's worth a go. Might even give me time to save up for some prizes. Sounds like something to do during the cold winter months, hm?
 
I think that the videos I've seen of Ankerson have NOT been push cutting.

I could be wrong, though.
 
Sounds like fun and I might give it a shot but what grit for a minimal finish? what's the lowest grit you can use?

I highly doubt any hand sharpener will match the EP results but it will be fun to see.

Was messing around some at 48 Degress inclusive and I can whittle hair and cut TP clean with my Endura 4 ZDP-189 and I am not done touching up the edge yet, just messing around. :)

Something to shoot for as I am not entering it, just did to see if it was possible. :)
 
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I think that the videos I've seen of Ankerson have NOT been push cutting.

I could be wrong, though.

It's both really, more like a push and a slice in one.

TP will tear if you try and push cut through it and it doesn't matter how sharp the knife is.
 
Was messing around some at 48 Degress inclusive and I can whittle hair and cut TP clean with my Endura 4 ZDP-189 and I am not done touching up the edge yet, just messing around. :)

Something to shoot for as I am not entering it, just did to see if it was possible. :)

Oh, so now you're psyching out the competition? :D

Okay, so we throw out the 'push-cut' part. The blade needs to cut through the TP using a push or sliding cut.
 
Oh, so now you're psyching out the competition? :D

Okay, so we throw out the 'push-cut' part. The blade needs to cut through the TP using a push or sliding cut.

Not really I was just trying to see if it was possible, I did do it..... Once. :D

So it is possible, not likely consistantly, but I will say that anything 40+ is really good. :thumbup:
 
Hum .. I've been doin them by hand for 30+ years and can get a razor finish on most any good steel. (I've even shaved my face for a demo) *And yeah!! I had NO dings* So I'll keep an eye on how these rules turn out in the end, and as for the prize...I'm in it for it.:D:D enjoy edgy :thumbup:
 
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