Need sharpening tips for longer, thicker blades

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So I'm doing pretty well at freehanding nice edges on my folders tat this point. Esp. if they are less than 4". But I haven't yet figured out how to do as good of a job on blades longer than 4 inches. One thing I did quickly learn from somebody here, and that's the idea of doing a longer blade in sections (versus trying to sharpen it with single, uniform strokes that run the whole length of the edge). That's a life-saver, but I still have some learning curve issues.

Last night I tried to sharpen an old Buck hunting knife for a friend (6" blade, est. about 0.175" thick stock). The thing was dull as a spoon, it was terrible, but after an hour of work I got it modestly sharp, with a nice primary bevel and it would shave arm hair (this was after going over EC, C, and F DMT bench stones). But.....there were still some problems. It won't cleanly slash through a piece of paper in my hand (it "sticks" at points). And at the point where the blade curves up near the tip, you can see under bright light a shiny spot, and you can feel as well, it's just not quite as sharp at that point. Much much better than it was, but not nearly as sharp as many of my personal blades.

Here were the 2 things I found that made it hard:
* Slight recurve. Not sure how or why, but this old blade (perhaps thru excessive years of sharpening?) had a slight recurve near the very rear of the edge. Thus this section was REALLY hard to get sharp on a bench stone. Here's how I finally got it to work: I began making long smooth strokes (edge-leading) away from myself, going over the recurved section. As I would do the stroke, I moved the knife at a 45 degree angle (relative to the stone) so that the entire recurve portion would get sharpened with each pass as I'd grind it over the very edge of the bench stone and then off the stone. This seems like a good way to sharpen a mild recurve on bench stones. I assume others have used this same way?

* Problems with the curve near the tip. On a long blade, especially with thick stock, I find it really hard to get the curve near the tip super sharp, while at the same time, keeping a consistent angle on the edge bevel. What I've been trying lately is choking up on the actual blade--grabbing the rear part of the blade itself--so I can get a better grip and angle for doing the tip. Any suggestions/thoughts on how to best sharpen the curve section and the tip, on a long thick-bladed knife?
 
Your best friend on any blade, but esp on a larger one, is Mr Sharpie. Do it in overlapping sections. As you begin to raise a burr, lay off the spots that are done and concentrate on the areas that need more work. Place your fingertips on your support hand exactly where you're grinding and use very light pressure when working with the more flexible blades, esp the belly and tip.
Recurve section...recurves do not play well with diamond stones. You're better off with sandpaper, waterstones, whetstones that have had a long edge radiused a little, pretty much anything but a flat diamond plate. My technique is to either lower my hand as I do the recurve (somewhat as you describe, only I still am working on small stretches of the blade). Or, I keep it level but work it against a rounded edge on my stone - this takes a bit more feel, but gives better results IMHO. Trying to do a good job on a recurve using diamond plates could easily ruin the surface along the edge as you're concentrating pressure on a very very thin section of the plate.
 
I made some videos on the subject, here's part 1.
[video=youtube;xgSOzYDv-PE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgSOzYDv-PE[/video]
 
Knifenut, thanks for the vid. A couple of ideas I got from your vid to try:

1. Looks like you mostly stick with holding onto the grips with the same (left) hand, regardless which side you're grinding. I've been reversing hands, using my weak hand to grip the handle when I flip the blade over, and I think that is getting me some inconsistent results.

2. I need to learn to "tilt" the handle up a more consistent angle when working the curve area and near the tip, as you did.

3. Looks like standing up enables you to hold at a more consistent angle. I've been sitting and I think that's not working as well.
 
Standing may help but as long as the stone is above your waist you should be doing pretty well. You want to try and move from the elbows and lock the wrist, having the stone above the waist height allows this to happen easier.

You have a dominate side, unless you are ambidextrous it would probably be best to stick with your strong side.

Lifting the handle follows the belly, that and my index finger holding pressure on the blade basically allows the blade to follow its own arc.
 
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