Sharpening supplies

I carry one of those credit-card sized diamond plates in my wallet, extra-fine. It really does work well. As to the ceramic rods, they're like the ceramic stones in the Spyderco sharpmaker, just shaped differently. They don't wear out, but they do get loaded up with steel, and then you clean them up with a kitchen cleanser like Comet. Also, if you drop one on a hard surface, you can expect it to break. Ragnar's prices are as good as you'll find anywhere.
 
Since the ceramic sticks break I'll probably get the Viking wetstone instead. Thanks for info.
 
geez, I have a few rods from different sharpeners and they've never broken. At a buck each you can afford to drop one in ten years.




munk
 
Ceramic rods are about as fragile as a coffe mug. I think the danger is their shape. They can easily roll off a table.
 
Originally posted by Skeletor
Since the ceramic sticks break I'll probably get the Viking wetstone instead. Thanks for info.

Try getting a hold of Shopsmith.com , I think it was, and see if they still have any of the Norton Fine India Benchstones in stock. These are the best hones you can buy and they were having a close out sale on them some time back.
These whetstones were going for $10.00 a piece!!!!
They also had the silicon carbide stones going for the same price. I wish now that I had of bought two of the Fine India stones so I could have one for my straight knives and another I could eventually round off for the khuks. That's 20/20 hind sight though.:(

Wasn't that it Munk and do you still have the website?
 
I'm not worried about breaking the ceramics because I would drop them but because they would get broken if I tried to walk around with one in my pocket. The Viking stone can be worn around my neck, that way it will always be ready to use and will never get lost.
 
Skeletor,

I've recently acquired all three of the products you mention. I don't know what you will be sharpening, and how polished an edge you want, but here are my impressions.

For the price, you can't do much better on the ceramic sticks, even if they can break. I've epoxied several into wooden handles and given them away. They are 3/8" BTW. They don't produce as fine a finish as I like on most knives where I sharpen the bevel, like convexed khuks or the flat-bevel "zero-edge" Scandanavian knives. They do wear in though, and get smoother, leaving a finer finish. You can take some high spots off by sanding the new ones with carborundum paper. I use mine for putting an agressive,slightly toothy edge on slicing knives or to touch up choppers before stropping. Great in the kitchen. Ditto Russ on cleaning. Haven't had one long enough to talk about wear. Finer than the fine side of the two-sided diamond plate, especially after wear-in.

The two-sided diamond plate is too small for me to use on khuks unless for touch-up by stroking the khuk with the plate. It leaves significant scratches even on the fine side. I understand that eventually some high spots will wear down and reduce this. I've used it to set bevels/edges on a couple of smaller knives and it worked well. If you already have means to set bevels/edges you might want the X-fine diamond plate instead. I've had to use carborundum paper or whetstones to get out the deep scratches after using the two-sided plate.

The viking stone is very fine, and leaves a nearly polished result. It works very well for alignining/touching-up a thin polished edge. It's quite hard and doesn't cut fast though, and I don't think I could ever remove scratches produced by the fine side of the diamond plate with it. You need to scrub it like the ceramic sticks to remove accumulated metal. I haven't tried one with oil, but water, and perhaps a little dish-soap slows down the build-up. It won't likely wear out, but I guess one could glaze it over by using the wrong kind of oil, or not ever cleaning it. I've seen three, and one has an internal flaw (they're translucent) where it might break if dropped just right/wrong, but I imagine that any could break if dropped a long way on a cement floor. Surely less fragile than the ceramic stick though. I use it to maintain polished edges on knives that I've stropped, or very finely honed and it works very well for this. On thin edges, it can also work as like a chakma, but I don't think you'll be able to do much burnishing on the hardest part of a thick khuk with it.

Windy, but hope it helps. Can't compare to similar products, it's the first diamond or ceramic stuff I've had. I like all three of them, and they are very portable, not expensive, but for me, they suppliment, not replace my waterstones, carborundum paper, chakma, and strop, at least when I have access to the latter.

EDIT:don't think you'd break the four inch stick in you pocket unless you fell just right on a rock or something. In that case, you'd probably care more about your butt/hip than the $1 stick.
 
The website Yvsa is referencing is Smokey Mountain Knifeworks, now under www.eknifeworks.com. I should know because I rushed out and bought two of those 8" Norton combo oilstones (175th anniversary edition) when Yvsa mentioned it on the HI forum. They are great stones and a fantastic buy. Alas, they still have some.

They also have $1 ceramic sticks and pocket sized diamond stones in different grits. Those stones are $8.99.

In fact, they have more sharpening stuff than I've seen on a website before.

Thanks for that tip long ago, Yvsa.

Gerry Hamrick
 
Is it just me or anyone else having problems with loading the Smoky Mountain site?
 
It didn't work for me the first time, and took a while, but I did get it up about 10 minutes ago.
 
Actually, I couldn't get it through that url above. I tried the name on a search engine and brought it up though.
 
I got the stones I ordered from them with no problems. That was several months ago. Other than that, I can't vouch for the quality of their service.
 
It's funny how I forget things. I was gonna look and see if I still had a reciept... Smoky Mountain, eh?


Everything rolls off my table sooner or later.



munk
 
Originally posted by gshamr
The website Yvsa is referencing is Smokey Mountain Knifeworks, now under www.eknifeworks.comIn fact, they have more sharpening stuff than I've seen on a website before.

Thanks for that tip long ago, Yvsa.

Gerry Hamrick

Thank you Gerry for finding the website, I thought they were on Shopsmith.com.:rolleyes:

Here's a live link taking you right to the correct page. If I'm able I'm gonna try for a couple of more of these whetstones at that price. I shoulda bought them when I was flush.:mad:

http://www.eknifeworks.com/webapp/e...PriceEnd=&Brand=&SearchText=Norton Fine India
 
I'm really pretty new to knives in general. I need sharpening supplies that are suitable for 15-18in khuks, can be carried with me, and that are easy to use. I was thinking the two sided diamond plate for most sharpening with Viking stone or ceramic stick for the final finish. I was also considering the small Arkensas stones on the Ragweedforge site for $7. It would be great if you guys could contribute some of your vast knowledge to this newbie.
 
Skeletor have you read the FAQ's on sharpening khuks? There's a lot of info there.

Personally I prefer the Norton India Stones over any Arkansas stone as I feel the cut better, but different strokes for different folks.
The Norton stones come in many sizes. I have one about 1/2" square and 4" long that's fine for a khuk.

The ceramic rods are fine for touching up a khuk, but unless you really mess up the blade the chakma is enough to take care of any field duties.
If the chakma isn't hard enough to do the job then a small Marbles or other hard knife will do the same job.

I'm fortunate that I have a Grizzly belt grinder to sharpen or reprofile any blade with and it's the ideal way of putting on a convex edge which the khuk should have.
If I'm not mistaken a small 1" X xx" belt sander isn't all that expensive, maybe you should consider doing that?
 
I've a belt sander. Maybe you could describe how I should use it, Yvsa. At any rate, before I stick a HI khuk on that, I'll try some cheap blade.




munk
 
Unless wallet carry is the most important thing, I think that Yvsa's suggestion of a small stone would be much easier to hang onto while stroking the khuk's than the very thin diamond plate. I think the thin plate is best-suited to lay flat and sharpen small blades by moving the blade. That's why I bought mine. (Also, I've rounded out my coarser bench-stones sharpening khuks, and I like them that way--when I sharpen khuks. I needed something that wasn't dished and rounded for some other knives.)

If you're set on diamond, I've heard good things about the DMT diafold series--they're at Smoky Mountain too. They look fairly portable and easy to hang onto. Haven't used them myself though.

The very,very fine Viking hone seems to me like labor-intensive overkill for a khuk in the field unless you need the khuk to really be polished and genuinely razor-sharp. It's useful to maintain a karda or other small knife at that level of sharpness though.

Other's opinions may vary--and many others have more expertise.:)
 
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