Sharpening System Dilema $24 or $800

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Alright here's my question, with all the talk about EdgePro,(which was gonna be my next system) I've been thinkin' I really want a sharpening system that I can take on the road and make some money with, so now I'm starting to wonder, do I save up more and go for a better system, or start with the EdgePro. I'm not sure which way to go. I've been freehand sharpening for 20 years and get excellent results but I'm looking to make money doing this, and doing this by hand is not conducive to making a profit.
Looking for input from you Cliff S.

Sharpening Wheel with Leather Buffing wheel $24+ Motor
Sears 1"X42" belt grinder $100+
EdgePro $163
Tormek $300+
TruHone $800+
 
I have a Tormek system, and as long as you have a way to power it it is definately worth having. And if you get all the jigs you can sharpen just about anything.
 
nothing beats sharpening both sides of the edge at the same time. The edge pretty much evens itself out and required at most, a stropping when done.

My vote is for the Tru Hone...

Of course, don't forget to keep up practicing hand honing.
 
I'm wondering how you're going to make money sharpening,especially on the road.Most butcher places use relatively cheap blades and steel them as much as they can.When the blade is worn enough they get a new one.I would imagine the chefs that use quality knives sharpen them themselves.I think the same goes with most hunters.I don't think the everyday knife user is going to pay to have his knife sharpened.But who knows,I've been wrong before.Anyway the best of luck to you.BTW I've heard good things about the Tormek if you have the attachements.
 
You know it's funny, if you talk about sharpening knives most people will tell you how they remember the knife man sharpening their parents knives.
I'm not looking to get rich, just combine two things I like doing making money and sharpening knives.
I see a lot of threads where people say they can't sharpen their own blades, or should they send their blades out to the factory to be resharpened.
Hell, how many people are looking for a system to give them that ultimate edge for under $50 cuz they can't do it freehand?
I live in a tourist area with tons of restaurants, I think I can make enough of a profit to make it worth my while.
 
T. Erdelyi (sorry I don't know your first name), like you, I have been sharpening knives for 30+ years and I reckon I've tried just about every method out there! I used to sharpen knives for everyone and was looking for a way to make things easy. I decided to buy a "system" that could handle a majority of my tasks which mainly consisted of kitchen knives. My main aim was speed but to keep the process as close to 'manual' as possible. I wanted to sharpen knives for the select few who were prepared to pay for a personal sharpening service.

I have used bench grinders with lapping wheels, etc. and they are very quick and can give excellent results. Unfortunately, you cannot really take them with you so I had to rule them out. I tried out the Tormek system and it was very impressive with the jigs available for scissors, chisels etc. Whilst I could setup a van with a generator etc. I wanted to just turn up at a site without power and sharpen knives.

I then tried the Sharpmaker 204 which is okay provided you have a semi decent bevel. It simply wasn't quick enough when reprofiling an edge and time is money! I was trying to reprofile a 10" cooks knife and after 20 mins it was getting tiresome. Okay I could have taken out my DMT coarse stone and reprofiled by hand but that was defeating the object.

I then came across the Edge Pro system after reading a book on sharpening. I made some enquiries and then decided to part with my cash. Okay so it was a lot of money but it was even more money to have it shipped to the UK from the US. The duty was also pretty hefty :eek: I watched the video and checked out the general setup of the unit. Amazingly, I took to the system straight off and my first knife came out like a cut throat razor. It was so easy to use and when I polished the egde with the 3000 grit polishing tape it looked better then it did when I bought it new. The stones cut very well and the 180 will reprofile an edge very quickly. I have used the 100 grit stone just the once and it cuts metal very fast. There is only one slight drawback and that is serrated knives that have been sharpened poorly in the past. Short of using a narrow steel to reprofile the serrations and then sharpening the flat side there isn't much you can do. Having said that I have pointed this out to my clients already and they seem to accept this.

I am sticking with the Edge Pro unit now because of the "Wow" factor. I set it up recently to sharpen some knives for a chef and all of his staff stood around watching. Because the unit is basically a manual machine they all though I was some ambidextrous genius. That simply isn't true because the unit is so easy to use. The guy was really impressed and the phone hasn't stop ringing since. Thankfully I can charge $5 per knife and they don't worry at all. I sharpened a chef's outfit in 15 minutes and he paid me $50 and gave me a free meal! Basically these knives were in fairly good condition and only required a small amount of work. I did have to reprofile the cleaver which had been subjected to some abuse but that didn't take too long. When I then sliced through some A4 paper the "wow" factor kicked in again.

I don't know about the US but here in the UK most people will pay a good price if the service seems to be personal and manual (that could be miscontrued :D ) as opposed to someone with a grinder. Don't get me wrong, there is still a lot of skill required to use a grinder etc. but it's the clients perception that matters.

My Edge Pro has virtaully paid for itslef in only 5 days! Well I've paid off the shipping and duty costs anyway :eek:

I hope this helps clarify my views.

Dave
 
that service the restaurant industry. They work out of a van and they have nothing close to a tru-hone. The real economy is to have a good knife last for a very long time. Real restaurant knives cost a lot of money, often several hundred dollars, and most chefs are not particularly good at sharpening. A good service will keep them running efficiently. On the service side, a in a few months, even a reasonable sharpening fee and a good client list will pay for the machine.
 
I've been meaning to break down and get an Edgepro Professional for a while now. Heard so many good things about, and I'm starting to needs a good sharpener. My Sharpmaker just can't make up for my total lack of talent when it comes to sharpening knives. I'm hoping the Edgepro can save me, lol
 
From personal experience I would suggest against the Tru-hone. I think people on this forum like that system but I used it over a 10 month period and I just could not get a good edge with that machine. Perhaps I was just sharpening absent mindedly but even trying numerous different settings on it would not get me a decent edge at all. I know it can do serrations as well but it did an even worse job on that.

At any rate I'm still learning and experimenting with sharpening so I wouldn't take my word for anything on this subject anytime soon.

I'm sure Cliff will be a great help on this. He's like an Enclyopedia when it comes to this stuff. Amazes me.
 
If you plan to make money sharpening knives, I have an idea to pass along. Get with a tool salesman (like Snap-On or Mac) and work out a deal with 'em. They will post a note in the tool truck and collect the knives for you to sharpen. They will also collect the money and take a small cut. I've seen this happen on an informal basis with one of our tool dealers. People will send you scissors, wire cutters, bolt cutters, pocket knives, hunting knives, kitchen knives, etc. Business will pick up when the word starts getting around. If you do this, you also need to get a drill bit sharpener. That sort of goes with the territory. :)
 
Thanks everyone you've given me a lot to think about.
I think I'll start with the EdgePro, seems that I'll get the most bang for my buck with it, and I won't need a way to power it, or need additional attachments.
I'll keep you all posted down the road.
Thanks again,
 
The Sharpmaker is a fine system for keeping a blade sharp at the the preset angles, but a poor choice for shaping an edge. It isn't rare for people to use knives long past the point that they should be sharpened, and thus you will not only have to be concerned about removing visible damage, but on occasion may have to create an edge on a significantly worn knife. Plus, you would want to have a wider range of angles. What is functional for a cleaver and a paring knife are angles much further apart than the Sharpmaker settings. The critical question is do you want to rely on power or not. If you don't, the the Edge Pro is the clear winner. Get the scissor attachment as the ability to sharpen them is far more rare than with knives.

There are also a few other useful tools. First is a large bastard file and a clamp. Many knives will be soft enough to file readily, and such blades are often very blunt. You clamp the blades and reset the edge with the bastard file. On some jobs, a small battery powered Dremel (or drill) with an x-coarse sanding drum, will speed the process up further, for example on a lawn mower blade. However the sanding drums are not cheap, so you may be better off just using the file. The Dremel does have other uses such as creating new tips. Also have a way to remove rust, as you don't want to clog up a file or a hone with debris.

In addition, a coarse waterstone (220 SiC) and some lapping compound is much faster than the Edge Pro for the initial bevels. For the cleanest final bevels you put the freehand angle just a little higher than the final angle. Then on the Edge Pro you just have to move down just a little (a few minutes work), and you are left with a crisp clean edge. On a larger heavy use knife, this may not be of any importance so the waterstone + lapping compound (and/or file), create the relief angle, and you just sharpen with the Edge Pro, little or no shaping. In any case, I would get at least two of the coarse Edge Pro hone, as you will wear them down rather quickly.

Finally I would have on hand some strong backed sandpaper, or some leather and sandpaper to use as a hanging strop for convex edges. Now you could just put v-grinds on the convex bevels, but this looks bad for one, and you will see some performance degradation as well. With very coarse sandpaper, about two inches or so wide, you can restore even a visible damaged bevel in no time at all. Just like in the above, the initial shaping can be a bit rougher, so you could even do this part with a file until the edge is clean and free of chips and/or dents. You then use the sandpaper and finish with a strop to clean up the bevels, smooth out the curve, and of course sharpen the edge.

Experience is also the key. There are a number of problem knives that you need to know how to deal with. For example, on laminate Japanese knives, the center core can be 63+ RC and very brittle. You need to go very light, with very fine hones or you will break the steel apart. On some of the cheaper knives, with poor grade alloys, they won't hold any kind of edge at all. On those knives you are best just shaping an edge, and leaving it with a filed or coarse honed finish. Make sure as well that you have a good handle on angles, you don't want to put a too thin edge on a cleaver and have it get damaged too readily, or thicken the edge on a paring knife and have it suffer a vastly reduced cutting ability. Finally, if you do go with the Edge Pro, some blanks and a couple of Ez-Lap hone will produce the optimal finish on the high alloy steels (CPM S90V, 10V etc.), but they may be so rare you don't need to be concerned about them.

Also, as noted by Sal Glesser in the Sharpmaker video, there are many household items that would benefit from being sharpened, it is not just scissors and knives that need some attention. From a potato peeler to a garden shovel, all of them could benefit from work on the edge. You put a fresh filed edge on a trowel and any gardener will soon realize that his life has become much easier. As well, it would not hurt to have a decent background of steels, grinds and other aspects of knives. If someone is using the wrong blade, then a simple sharpening won't leave him very satisfied, but if you can restore the blade but as well point him in the right direction for the correct knife, then things will be so much the better.

Now if you do want to use power, then the Tormek is a direct upgrade over the Edge Pro. It will get you there faster, and has jigs for all manner of tools. The only ability that you lose is the varying grits, but in general you can do with the grading stone on the Tormek. This also means that you don't need the large bench stone, however the file would still be useful, on the larger softer blades. As for the TruHone, and other devices (CATRA, Razor's Edge), I have not used them, but they are usually geared for sharpening hundreds of knives a day. As well I would be curious about the size of the knives they can take. Could you for example even fit a Trailmaster into the sharpening slots?

As for a belt sander, I use a 1x30" and it works well and will be much faster then even the Tormek. There are a lot of abrasives available, up to 5 micron SiC and then leather belts for the ultimate polish when loaded with CrO. The biggest problem will be with overheating the edge. With plain carbon steels and very thin blades this can happen very quickly. Do all your shaping on fresh belts, and cool in water after each pass. I have not used an upright or horizontal, and would be concerned about the ability to hold the edge in position to form a smooth v-grind edge. Of course you could just put convex bevels on everything.

Bok, thanks for the comments on the TruHone, did you own it or have access to it at work? If the latter did anyone else comment on the TruHone? I have suspected that the edges formed from such machines would not be as crisp, but have never seen them. Was the problem with the edge not getting sharp enough, or not lasting as long as you would prefer? Was it too rough, or an aligment problem such as a large burr?


-Cliff
 
Cliff - the Tru Hone we used at work. There were 5 of us who used it and all of us had the same problem with it.

We just could not get an efficent cutting edge on any of the knives we did. We did mostly kitchen knives and could not create an edge that would be very sharp or cut for very long. The Trident and Henckel knives would sharpen better than any of the no-name brands but still not up to standard.

Honestly, in my experience, I could get a better edge on those Tridents using the 450 Chef's choice pull through.
 
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