Sharpening the 630? Help!

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O.k. before anybody yells at me to use the search engine, I have and found many interesting tips. But.. it's not helping!I have a first production 630 skirmish(#41), I can't seem to put a edge on this thing! The edge is not even, especialy at the tip,(40-42 deg on left, seem like 50 or so on the right?!) anyway, I've been trying to back bevel it with the sharpmaker and am getting NOWHERE! :confused: I have been trying for 3hrs now and almost nothing(except a callus). Am I just doomed to give up and have a big dull knife? Or mabey the diamond rods would save the day? Help me my fellow forumites, you're my only hope! (Sorry just saw Star Wars!)
P.S. I just got it back from Benchmade from the lifesharp service, came back o.k. but with a wire edge that chiped cutting paper! This is why I came to this problem.
 
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Hi samhain. Don't worry, no yelling required! If you are using the white stones to do the back beveling then you better plan on watching the sun come up! Even the gray stones will be keeping you up past the witching hour. On the other hand, the diamond stones should save the day for you. I have an old set of the diamond sleeves that fit over my stones and these will generally take care of those real rough edges. Even better would be a set of stones that include the guide for clamping on the blade back and working the edge. I think Wal marts carry these for a reasonable price. If you already have the diamond rods though I'd go with them, taking my time so that I was hitting every stroke as close as possible to the angle you want. I want to think that 40 degrees total, 20 each side, is the optimal angle you are shooting for. If not then I'm sure I'll be corrected. Good luck!! :D :D :D
 
samhain73 said:
The edge is not even, especialy at the tip,(40-42 deg on left, seem like 50 or so on the right?!) anyway, I've been trying to back bevel it with the sharpmaker and am getting NOWHERE!
Wrap the rods with coarse sandpaper or stand a really coarse stone up against them.

I just got it back from Benchmade from the lifesharp service, came back o.k. but with a wire edge that chiped cutting paper!
I don't think I would call a wire edge which was that uneven ok. I would contact them and ask them for a refund on the shipping as it was obviously a waste of money, unless they repaired a large edge chip or similar.

-Cliff
 
Factory grinding isn't always even, my Spyderco Mouse is a little lopsided.

If you find yourself profiling knives now and then, a DMT stone will suit you well. The fine (red) grit will re-shape a knife in a few minutes if you do it right.

It's WAY easier to start honing in an edge that's been rougher ground to a perfect, even bevel on each side. I found this out the hard way...

_z
 
Cliff Stamp said:
Wrap the rods with coarse sandpaper or stand a really coarse stone up against them.

I don't think I would call a wire edge which was that uneven ok. I would contact them and ask them for a refund on the shipping as it was obviously a waste of money, unless they repaired a large edge chip or similar.

-Cliff

agree with cliff on this,
 
O.K, I tried laying a diamond stone(a loose stone just taped there)) on the sharpmaker, and it worked ok. But still not near shaving sharp, but it wil cut paper drawing it across, but not on all of the blade. So.. I think I will Have to try the sandpaper trick. What grit should I use?? And I have to use the corners because of the recurve blade, so will this even work? I have managed to scratch the blade pretty good, so what grit sandpaper should I use to remove the scratches? Thanks!
 
z537z said:
Factory grinding isn't always even...
Yes, and some times they are burred. This isn't the expected behavior though, or it isn't the advertized one and thus you have a right to get what you payed for. Especially if you send a knife back to get sharpened and you have to sharpen it after you get it back.

samhain73 said:
But still not near shaving sharp, but it wil cut paper drawing it across, but not on all of the blade.
Some parts of the edge are at a higher angle and need more material removed before the actual edge gets formed. You are just hitting the shoulder there, keep going until the entire edge is uniform.

What grit should I use??
For just getting the edge the right shape you use the most coarse abrasive you can find, I use 80 AO, I have tried coarser ZO, but it is too lumpy and requires too much work to finish after shaping. I only use that if I have to change a primary profile. Yes you can use the corners.

I have managed to scratch the blade pretty good, so what grit sandpaper should I use to remove the scratches?
Buy a small varienty pack and start off with something which is slightly finer than the existing scratches and then slowly move up in finer grits as you get a uniform finish. It takes a long time and is a major waste of time on a working knife.

-Cliff
 
No worries, sharpening can be frustrating on the harder to machine steels when the edge is uneven and thick. The worst part is not knowing what the problem is exactly and thus you start to wonder if what you are doing is right, you could be one minute away from razor sharpness and then switch to something which does nothing productive.

It gets easier with time as you start to recognize problems, each time you sharpen a blade you learn something and eventually you will be at the point where production blades start to seem dull, and unless a knife pops hair off your arm at the slightest of touches you are not satisfied.

-Cliff
 
I bought a Benchmade 630 some time ago, have not used it as it is too big for me to legally carry and I always have a smaller knife on me. Anyways, the 630 seems to be the exception to the Benchmade sharpening quality as of late. BM used to have horrible initial sharpness quality, then about 2 years ago they started sharpening their knives to ~ Spyderco levels on a consistent basis.

The 630 however did not come sdharp, and all that I inspected (~20) were of the same general sharpness, based on on a thumb sweep and visual inspection.

The knife is fairly thick behind the edge, has a sabre recurve grind on a fairly thick stock made from a decently wear resistant steel. This is not a recipe for sharpeness in a production knife.


Also, a distinction has to be made between sharpness and cutting ability. Sharpness just means a well formewd and evenly finishged edge to em. Actual cutting ability takes into account the primary geometery and ergonoimcs to the extent they effect perormance issues.

The Benchmade 710 in M2 with Axis lock and G10 scales is a directly superior knife for my uses. The thinner stock, less aggresive recurve, stronger axis lock (though lock strength is low on my list of priority, the 630 is plenty strong), ease of carry anhd betterl clip design placement, much greater comfort (especially in cold weather without gloves) make the 710 a better choice in my eyes.

? I have managed to scratch the blade pretty good, so what grit sandpaper should I use to remove the scratches?

I would just leave them. But, if you really want to buff them out, perhaps the easist finish to apply is a "scotchbrite" finish. Get a 3M scotchbrite backed sponge (it is the green pot scrubbing stuff.) Buff the knife out with that, it will scratch the knife a lot, then the finish will even out and it will look decent.

As far as sharpening, due to the recurve you have to use something narrow, which is where the Spydero 204 works well for keeping it sharp, but it not aggressive enough to reprofile it as you will have to remove a lot of metal.

Either buy the diamon stones, which I have not used, or get a dowel and glue some sandpaper to it (100 grit AO or so). It wil have much more surface area (you can made a really long one). Now, clamp the blade in a vise so the edge is straight up and use the sandpaper/dowel as a file and hog off the metal at whatever angle you want (I'g go with 15-17 degrees). Then finsih with a 20 degree microbevel on the sharpmaker, use the corners of the brown stones.

Using this technique, it should take way less than 20 minutes to get a smooth shaving edge on the knife even if it had no edge bevel from the factory.
 
I have the same experience with my 635. The edge is too thick, definitely more than 20 degrees per side....in fact, it's probably like 30 degrees perside (I used the marker and the sharpmaker setting at 20, and it was only touching the border where the bevel meets the hollow grind.

I think I should send it back for Benchmade to put a 15 deg pre side bevel. Does anyone know if Benchmade can do that? I just paid a lot for shipping, and it pains me a little.
 
Okay, heres an update. I repofiled the blade to 30(15) deg on back bevel and 40(20) on the very edge to fit the shapmaker.I used a diamond rod just using the marker trick (marker,scrape,) and now have it totally reprofile to fit the sharpmaker. But ever after all this, it stll won't shave or even close! has more of a "utility edge " I guess. Now the thing is, it's hard to tell (for me) how sharp it is because of the blade size. For instance, it will push cut leather, but kind of drags across paper. I guess I'm doomed, Because at this point I am getting frustrated. Maybe I should just trade it off or something. :mad:
Maybe I should just send it back to benchmade again(!) now that its reprofiled.
 
Hello Cliff. No, I tried putting the edge on with the diamond which put a sharp but rough scraped, almost serrated edge on (noticable by eye). Then I used the fine sharpmaker stones to polish it up, and it becomes no sharper. I even stropped it to a polished edge when those did'nt work. So you can see why I'm becoming frustrated. ( p.s. I also tried the sandpaper, but kept cutting though it?!)
 
Can you check with a marker to see if the fine stones are hitting the edge. It may be that they are on a different angle due to their shape, or the 15 degree bevel may not be going all the way to the edge.

If you have the 15 degree bevel sharpened fully to the edge, applying the microbevel with the 20 should be instant, as in it happens with 1-2 passes on the medium and then 1-2 passes on the fine.

If you want, I can check it out. You should be able to drop it in a small global priority envelope for ~$5 and it will get to me within a week. I can clean up the edge, apply a 10 degree primary edge bevel for ease of sharpening and then a slight micro-bevel to form the actual edge.

-Cliff
 
Cliff, it looks like I am hitting the edge as the marker is removed, but still no real sharpness. So if you are indeed kind enough to do that for me, I would take you up on your offer! Email me the details!(in the profiles) Thank you!
-Mike :D
 
If I might suggest.... try looking at the edge under some kind of magnification, to see what you're really doing. I use a handheld microscope from Radio Shack.... others use a loupe (there's a thread about it somewhere). You might be surprised. The problem with the 'marker trick' especially with the Sharpmaker.... is one or two swipes with the knife tilted slightly, and the marker is gone... but in reality you didn't reach all the way to the edge. Especially with the finer stones.

2nd suggestion... if you're frustrated... take a break.

Just out of curiosity, have you sharpened other knives and only the 630 won't sharpen... or is this your first attempt at sharpening.The reason I ask... is, it might give a clue as to what is going on... to maybe better help answer your questions.
 
No, I have sharpened many other knives but none with such a thick, uneven edge before. I have had mostly smaller knives I guess, (kershaws and the like) but those were easy to sharpen even free hand with whetstones, let alone a sharpmaker. But this 630? It is an evil beast!
 
A knife I got from Linville knife and tool was like that... has a very thick blade... and came very very dull.... best edge I could put on it was using the sandpaper/mousepad. Convex seemed to work better for this thick blade.... and it came out very sharp.

But sounds like you got someone to take care of it for you.

Good luck!!
 
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