Sharpening with films and Sharposharp

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When I first started learning to sharpen it was related to woodworking and I started with sandpaper. I have never sharpened a knife using sandpaper or films of any kind.

Sharposharp sent me some films so that I can test them out and give them some feedback as it relates to sharpening knives. I have not opened the box yet.

Without even trying it, I can think of some great advantages with respect to things like hand playing blades and chisels, I've just never sharpened a knife this way.

Most of my freehand sharpening with knife blades I am able to do both edge trailing and edge leading. I think that while sharpening with films I will need to use edge trailing.

So before I jump in, does anyone have any experience sharpening knife blades on films?

Based on their website, the films they offer look pretty nice.

My first knife will probably be my buck bantam 285 because the thumb studs get in the way when I try to use my hapstone. I posted in the book form to see if anyone knew how to take those studs off. I did not try to take them off because I didn't want to damage them and with that particular knife I don't trust that they're just screw on.
 
I do it all the time on sand paper. Its not that much different than using a stone. I have a cut down piece of 1x6 with some 6 oz leather on it. The leather is just about the same size as a 3 1/2 x 9 sheet of 3M sandpaper with some overlap on the sides, something that useful for an edge thats recurved. You need to learn how to keep a consistent angle though, and that will take a bit of time to get right.
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I do it all the time on sand paper. Its not that much different than using a stone. I have a cut down piece of 1x6 with some 6 oz leather on it. The leather is just about the same size as a 3 1/2 x 9 sheet of 3M sandpaper with some overlap on the sides, something that useful for an edge thats recurved. You need to learn how to keep a consistent angle though, and that will take a bit of time to get right.
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I've done a lot of hand sharpening on stones, but the stones I've been using I've for the most part been able to go back and forth while holding my angle rather than always doing edge trailing so that will be kind of a learning curve

I had a little difficulty following what you said about a recurve. Maybe I need to look up exactly what a recurve is. Okay, it has sort of an s shape which means that there will be a con concave section on the blade. I figured that if I was putting a film down and then I wanted to sharpen any thing that was concave that would be tricky to do.

I recently sharpened a very old butcher knife that my mom had and it had that sort of s-shaped curve in it and I was able to do it on a regular Stone but it didn't come out as nice as I liked. My brain's all fuzzy since A lot's been going on, but I think I did that particular knife on a Norton India Stone. So then I used sort of the corner to get into the concave side. Something I don't think I can do at all with a film.

Once again, thanks for the pic. It helps.
 
And to whomever moved the thread to a more appropriate forum, thank you. I looked at the forms while trying to figure out where to post it.
 
I recently sharpened a very old butcher knife that my mom had and it had that sort of s-shaped curve in it and I was able to do it on a regular Stone but it didn't come out as nice as I liked. My brain's all fuzzy since A lot's been going on, but I think I did that particular knife on a Norton India Stone. So then I used sort of the corner to get into the concave side. Something I don't think I can do at all with a film.
If the film is flexible, yes you can. Wrap it around a large wood dowel, or as I do use a rounded corner on a flat board.
 
If the film is flexible, yes you can. Wrap it around a large wood dowel, or as I do use a rounded corner on a flat board.
Now that you say it, it seems so obvious. The irony is that I have wrapped sandpaper around to do similar things and suggested others to do it on concave blades.

I am looking at what they sent me and I am really impressed with what I am seeing so far. I have not tested anything yet, but...

They have a very impressive range of grits.

Diamond lapping film in 10 grits 180 grit / 80 micron through 60,000 grit / 0.5 micron. Their labeling. My shapton 30,000 is 0.49 grit.

Aluminum oxide lapping film has 8 different grits 40 micron through 0.3 micron.

To add little confusion, there is also an aluminum oxide microfinishing film in 9 grits from 80 micron to 9 micron.

Why do I say confusion? I had no idea what the difference is between a lapping film and microfinishing film. 3M sells both as well and I found many people online trying to figure out the difference. Sharpo indicates that the microfinishing products have a thicker backing and are good for more sharpening sessions.

Can't wait to actually try these.
 
I grabbed a 3M assortment a couple of years ago ($15) to hone and polish my whittlin' and carving blades. Got them on dowels and 1/4 round trim pieces - work great. I even experimented with diamond paste on a matching grit for stropping and polishing. Works great, impressive mirror polish. Paint stirring sticks make a decent strop with them also
I have aluminum oxide - never saw the diamond
experiment - I did 😎
 
I grabbed a 3M assortment a couple of years ago ($15) to hone and polish my whittlin' and carving blades. Got them on dowels and 1/4 round trim pieces - work great. I even experimented with diamond paste on a matching grit for stropping and polishing. Works great, impressive mirror polish. Paint stirring sticks make a decent strop with them also
I have aluminum oxide - never saw the diamond
experiment - I did 😎
This a list of all of the "sharposharp" products. I guess that I did not post a link to their web site.


I need to write-up what I have looked at so far, which is not a lot. Ignoring that I am always too busy, a family member died and I was dealing with that. More to do in that regard...

Some years back looked at some of the 3M offerings and I was not seeing nearly the variety available from "sharposharp". I assumed it was because it was difficult for me to find them rather than not existing.

Although I had not considered putting diamond directly onto a rod, it sounds so obvious after you say it. Even worse, I had considered using wood directly as a strop so bad on me. Might be even easier than trying to cut paper to match a round rod.

Friday, I used the Wharncliffe blade on a Case Seahorse Whittler to cut open 20 bags of cement. The blade almost instantly went from the pristine factory edge to really dull. I was intentional and I figured that I would use this as my first sharpening test using the Aluminum Oxide offering. I will measure the existing angle on my goniometer first. In retrospect, I probably should have made sure that the blade was at the angle that I wanted so that my first test was at the angle that I wanted. I don't think that I want my first test to be reprofiling the blade. Ironically, this is the first time that I have seen films that are as course as 180 Grit / 80 Micron, at least in diamond. I have pressure sensitive strips of "sandpaper" but I have never used it to sharpen and it has a totally different backing.

I am just waiting for my muscles to reset after digging four large holes for an "adult swingset" and then mixing 20 bags of cement by hand to anchor it. I don't think I could handle the repetitive motion.

One of the things that I want to look at a little more closely is how close the three different types of film feel / look since I noticed that the Aluminum oxide at 80 Microns felt different between the Aluminum Oxide and the Diamond. I am probably not qualified to comment on why but it is something that I want to look at.
 
Some high carbide "supersteel" blades should give you a good idea of the difference between the diamond and aluminum oxide products. My limited experience with woodworking tools has not required diamonds, but a lot of modern knives need diamonds/CBN/ceramics to move much metal.

I've used the 3M diamond films, I think they were called. They gave some spectacular results! In the more coarse grits they weren't my first choice due to the cost, but the finer grits gave a brilliant shine, fast. Extremely effective for the final stages of a high-polish job.

Coming from sandpaper, you already know to watch the pressure!
 
Some high carbide "supersteel" blades should give you a good idea of the difference between the diamond and aluminum oxide products. My limited experience with woodworking tools has not required diamonds, but a lot of modern knives need diamonds/CBN/ceramics to move much metal.

I've used the 3M diamond films, I think they were called. They gave some spectacular results! In the more coarse grits they weren't my first choice due to the cost, but the finer grits gave a brilliant shine, fast. Extremely effective for the final stages of a high-polish job.

Coming from sandpaper, you already know to watch the pressure!
I have some "modern-ish" steel for wood working things; for example, A2 plane blades and PM-V11 (Lee Valley things). I have been able to sharpen all of them on things that are not diamond. I also have things like REX-121, that will really want the diamond. Had not thought to look at the price difference. I will put that on my "things to do" list since I am curious. On my Hapstone I do have Aluminum Oxide but I purposely purchased their Premium Diamond (1" wide stones) and Premium CBN (1/2" wide) stones, but I must admit that the feel is nice on the Aluminum Oxide and it does leave a nice finish. If I had to do it over not sure I would buy the Aluminum Oxide just because the Diamond and CBN look like they will last a very long time.

My biggest concern with the lapping film is to resist the urge to move in two directions with the blade. I have done a lot of free hand sharpening lately where I have been going back and forth.

Do you have any tips related to "watch the pressure?" I had not really given it any thought. I started on sand paper many years ago but have not been using it much recently. I assume that there is concern with embedding (or pushing) the abrasive into the backing. But this does bring to mind a discussion between the head of one of the companies that makes sharpening stones (need to look back at my notes if anyone cares) and Stuart T (need to lookup the last name) in Japan about why you should NOT flatten a water stone with sandpaper and it was somewhat related to the backing and particles embedding into the stones.
 
Related topics:


An introductory summary:

SharpoSharp (https://sharposharp.com/) sent me some “Precision Grade Sharpening Film” to try (see https://sharposharp.com/pages/available-sharpening-films). There are three different products:



  1. Aluminum Oxide Lapping Film with 8 different grits from 40 to 0.3 micron; about $4 per 8.5x11" sheet. Thinner more flexible backing good for 5-8 uses.
  2. Aluminum Oxide Micro-finishing Film with 8 different grits from 80 to 9 micron; about $6.90 per 8.5x11" sheet. Has a heavier more durable backing than the Lapping Film good for 7-12 uses.
  3. Diamond Lapping Film with 10 different grits from 80 to 0.5 micron; about $9.60 per 8.5x11" sheet. Uses aggressive diamonds good for 10-20 uses.



After using these for two months I can say that I like them more than I expected. A few things that I like specifically about these:

It is recommended that you do not flatten water stones using sand paper because the grit can break off and embed in the stone. The resin bond in these films seem to hold the grit stronger than my sandpaper so I would be less concerned about using these to flatten my water stones; but I own many diamond plates so I use that.

I recently acquired a JORGENSEN Chamfer Plane (see https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CZDSF7HR) with three cutters that I need to sharpen the inner portion using either appropriately sized files or by wrapping “sandpaper” around a dowel. The Aluminum Oxide Lapping Film is thin and flexible so it works well even with a tight radius.

The Diamond Lapping Film is my favorite and boy does it cut, especially the 180 grit (80 micron) film. Honestly, all of the films start very sharp and work well, but the Diamond feels sharper and faster to me. I have an 80 grit diamond stone for my Hapstone fixed angle sharpener, and I think that I am cutting faster with a fresh 180 grit Diamond Lapping Film.

I still have more testing to perform since most of the steel that I have sharpened has not been super steel because my blades with the super steels are still very sharp. So the toughest steel that I have sharpened is S30V and S35V on kitchen knives that I own (https://warthercutlery.com/). Apart from that it has been Case pocket knives (relatively soft steel, https://caseknives.com/), older Gerber Chef knives and Henkel Chef Knives (https://www.henckels.com/us/knives/chef). I did not include a link to the Gerber knives because these have not been in production for a while and the best I could link to is an eBay listing.

I used Wedgek angle guides (https://angleguide.com/ or https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08L5D67GD or https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NF1RYXV). The first link takes you to the official web site and they have calculators if you want to calculate what angle to use based on things such as existing bevel angle, sharpening angle, and blade thickness. I used the angle guides as a reference angle and then sharpened by hand.

My process was as follows:

Take a full size sheet (because I had 8.5x11 sheets https://sharposharp.com/products/diamond-sharpening-film-complete-set?variant=42285901349017) and I cut them to width to match their plate glass and put the glass into the holder (https://sharposharp.com/products/stainless-steel-rubber-base-with-glass). The glass is thick enough that it sticks up above the the holder sufficiently that it does not catch.

You do not need to, but, I like to use this wet so I spritzed the film with water and then sharpened by hand.

I did shoot video while I did this, but frankly it is not very exciting to watch. I will say, however, that I was really impressed by how well this worked. I was able to very quickly re-establish edges and it was cutting much faster than I am used to. For the most part I was not reprofiling, but the knives that I had not previously sharpened (like the Case Seahorse Whittler https://caseknives.com/products/smooth-red-synthetic-american-workman-cs-seahorse-whittler, I own a few of these) were not consistent side to side or even across the same side on some blades. I believe that they sharpen by hand using a belt.

I started sharpening using sandpaper because I had nothing else. I sometimes even flatten chisel backs and plane blades on sandpaper when they are really bad. This film is a much better solution to sandpaper.

I will admit that I was careless a few times and I was able to use edge leading a few times…. Until I apexed the edge. So, do not become complacent, just use edge trailing even if using both is faster. It is faster until you are apexed and try to cut into the film.


So, highly recommended.
 
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