Sharpening?

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Hello one and all,

I was wondering, if you haven't noticed I do a lot of it, and was starting to think about when my bk2 starts getting dull, how does one go around sharpening it? Any sharpners I should get? Do I need to get a cheap knife to practice sharpening on before I go to my good knives? Any tips you guys could provide would be very appreciated. Thank you gentlemen!

-Josh
 
Wish I was better at sharpening. I'm working on it. Takes a lot of practice to get good at free hand. I can get a working edge, but saving sharp is another thing. Depends on the knife though. When I need a pick me up, I give the Mora a new edge. (LOL) does take a sweet edge though.

I got a DMT diamond hone to carry (red and blue). Got an Arkansas Tri-stone setup for the house.

The Edge Pro or Syderco set up are very popular. I don't have them, so cann't comment . I'm just trying to get good at free hand so I'll always be able to "keep 'em sharp."

"Practice, practice, practice"
 
This is more of a question for the "Maintenance Tinkering and Embellishment" subforum, but here's my 2 cents.

Yes, get a cheap knife to practice on. You will probably be able to put a working edge on your knife with a little practice, but you'll be removing a lot of metal needlessly. Get the basics down before you have a go at a knife you care about.

Always sharpen standing up at a counter or workbench, not sitting down.

Use a Sharpie, mark up the bevel you're working on and check to see where the marker is being ground away. Don't be stingy, re apply frequently and check often.

Counting your strokes, grind one side until you see a burr along the entire edge. Flip and repeat the same number of strokes. If the Sharpie and visual inspection say you need more strokes to get a good edge grind, then do it. The burr should have completely flipped sides at this point. Continue flipping sides using less and less pressure and fewer and fewer strokes till the burr is very small.

If the burr is very stubborn and will not shrink for you, use a draw cut across the grain on a piece of hard wood. Repeat several times till the burr gets the hint that it's not wanted. It may help at this point to back drag the edge across the same piece of hardwood a few times at a fairly steep angle. Any larger burr that's left should be brought to attention and can be ground off by cross cutting the hardwood again.

At this point you should have a pretty good edge. Stropping on some cardboard or leather loaded with any number of compounds should remove the rest of the burr and refine the edge a little more. If you opt for compound, use a grit that's close to the grit you were grinding with. Jumping from a 600 grit stone to a .5 micron stropping compound won't give you the best results, using black emery or similar following a 600 grit stone will do a much better job.

You can continue to repeat this procedure on finer and finer grinding media depending on the edge you're after, or you could stop right here.

For the actual sharpening, I highly recommend wet/dry (silicone carbide) sandpaper glued to a flat piece of hardwood, metal, glass, corianne, Anything flat that won't move around too much. The bonded fabric sheets hold up a lot better than the paper. 600-800 grit would be good for a touch-up, 1500-2000 will put a face-shaving edge on her, and 220-400 for a hard-use edge or to restore a battered edge prior to further refining. I prefer a toothier edge on my smaller knives, as they get larger I tend to refine them a bit more on my belief that the finer edges chop better, the toothier edges draw cut better. The BK2 would probably do well with something in the middle, 600-800. You can use an edge-trailing motion, an edge-leading motion, or a back and forth - combining both strokes. When stropping you must use an edge-trailing stroke.

There are many types of sharpening stones etc, but the basics of raising a burr and removing it are universal and the key to good edges no matter how you create them. There is a ton of variables that go into sharpening, it's a journey not a destination, even after you arrive at a method you prefer and master.
Best of luck!
HH
 
Sorry,

Still learning to use the forum functions and advanced search option. Thank you for that wonderful dose of knowledge.
 
Some where on here there was a picture of part of my set up. I've tried darn near everything on the market at one point or another. In the end my logic was "what would a knife maker use?" The answer was a belt sander so that's what I use.

For field work or if I'm without electricity I use diamond stones.
 
best way to sharpen it is to sell it and buy a new one. keep the e-conomy rolling :) Ethan will thank you :)
 
I find the Gatco diamond deluxe kit works excellent for me. Lansky is very much like it as well. I have almost every sharpening devise known to mankind. Some work better in certain situations than others. It took me a while to get my BK2 up to my standards & i still get it better every time i sharpen it. If you dont want a boatload of sharpening stuff, just get a deluxe diamond kit from Gatco. It takes all the guesswork out of it & the ceramic finishing stone puts a scary sharp edge. It actually "feels" not as sharp-because it removes all the fine burrs that catch your finger, but it is actually sharper. For me, sharpening my knives is therapy !!! When you cut yourself through 4 layers of paper towels & across 3 fingers & don't even know it, :eek: until your hand is sticky with blood, it is pretty sharp ! Yup, I did that while wiping the oil & debris off the blade, in a hurry, right before work ! :o
 
I'm a recent convert to the "mousepad method" wherein you sharpen the blade on sandpaper (320-2000) placed on a mousepad. Eventually you arrive at a polished, slightly convexed edge. I bust off the burr with either an ultrafine Sharpmaker or my jeans.

Basically, whatever works for you and whatever you can do consistently.

When I'm in the woods I love a DC4 in my back pocket.
 
Heavyhanded covered most of the basics needed to get going. I broke down and got the WEPS (Wickededge.com). I have always been somewhat sharpening deficient. The WE lets me use the sharpie method and actually find the exact setting for the edge angle on a knife I want to sharpen. That's probably the most important feature of this system in that it allows you to find the edge angle the first time you sharpen and get near exact repeatability of edge angle each time you sharpen your knife again.

The next feature I like is the almost limitless choice of stones now available--if you can afford them. You can strop with leather, balsa, or a personal choice of material by glueing it to a blank holder. I can now get a knife sharp quickly and almost a sure thing unless I make some mistake. I haven't been able to do this in years past. My main mistake was in not knowing what blade angle to use and if I was using the same one the next time.

All this said, I still love to pull a knife across a Japanese waterstone. Using the stones and the sanding process HH describes give a good feel when you get a sharp edge on your own. Did I say I was kind of knife insane? I like the mousepad and sandpaper method described by Chad Ward for convex edges.
You can also get convex and compound bevels easily (with practice) on the WEPS.

Good luck.
Charlie
 
Most of my smaller knives get the full convex treatment - the more I do the more I appreciate how easy it is to maintain them. Only exception is if the knife already has a pretty flat grind with no real shoulder. Case in point, my BK11 is gong to keep a nice V grind, though I've already changed the bevel to approx 30 degrees. Even my V grind edges are pretty convex due to my technique.

I don't think I'll ever buy a sharpening jig or guide at this point. I was sharpening up a machete to take backpacking next month and just couldn't get satisfied with what my belt sander was producing, so I cut some of my silicone carbide belts for the sander, and glued them to a few pieces of brass plate I had lying around - 80, 120, 400, and 800 grit. Something very surreal and satisfying when sharpening a 16" machete on a 3x19" bench stone. I even made a jumbo-sized strop to finish it off. Turned out awesome. I'm hooked, I need more big blades to sharpen...

HH
 
I need to get a new sharpener myself. I'm not overly experienced with doing it by hand on a stone. I should have had my dad teach me when he was still alive. His knives would shave the hair off a flea's leg. He was so good at it.

EDIT: Damn, just noticed this was my 500th post. :eek: I really need to get a life...or, perhaps a job would help. ;)
 
I like sharpmaker and dmt items (diafold, cards, diasharp, whetstone).

Good advice to stand and not sit - I have been sitting and I think it messed up my back.......which messed up my ulnar nerve which caused my left hand to go numb.
 
When I was about 13 or so, my grandfather showed me how to use a stone to sharpen knife blades and I have been doing it by hand ever since. This is what works for me:
If the blade is in really rough shape, I use a gerber diamond sharpener. Looks like a pen when closed. I'll use this to knock down any rough spots on the edge.
I then move along to a medium grit stone. This will smooth out the rough strokes from the diamond rod.
From there, I have a rubber sanding tool. To this I attach a 1500 or 600 grit piece of wet/dry sandpaper and finish up the edge.
I like the rubber as it feels a little better than mousepads IMHO. Mouse pads felt too soft to me, and the rubber pad is just a little stiffer giving me a little more support when applying pressure with the blade.
 
I got a double-sided whetstone , a Henkels sharpener , 2 steels and probably 2 more gadgets somewhere around . What works best for me is the inverted coffee mug . I even got 3 different mugs for that : coarse , medium and fine !
 
I find that the wet/dry paper on a mousepad seems to be fairly forgiving, and very difficult to get wrong. It takes awhile, especially if you are convexing for the first time, but once you get it, it is super easy to upkeep. If I am not working that though, I usually hand sharpen everything else with an old ceramic rod. Like every has said though, you really got to try on a knife you don't really care about first to make sure you get it down. (Although with a mousepad and some 400 grit stuff, you got a lot of time to rectify your mistakes before you can actually screw up the edge, or at least that was my experience with it. YMMV)
 
Wish I was better at sharpening. I'm working on it. Takes a lot of practice to get good at free hand. I can get a working edge, but saving sharp is another thing. Depends on the knife though. When I need a pick me up, I give the Mora a new edge. (LOL) does take a sweet edge though.

I got a DMT diamond hone to carry (red and blue). Got an Arkansas Tri-stone setup for the house.

The Edge Pro or Syderco set up are very popular. I don't have them, so cann't comment . I'm just trying to get good at free hand so I'll always be able to "keep 'em sharp."

"Practice, practice, practice"

good advice!!! now I'm no RichardJ or Murry Carter that's for sure but I can get my knives as sharp as I want them using various techniques.. And I credit this to learning on stones, an added bonus to learning on stones and not relying on a guided system,so if you ever found yourself in a situation in the bush you'd be able to use a natural stone to sharpen your knife... :D

I think freehand sharpening is a skill set that many leave out of their "survival bag" .... all the wars about steel and "I wouldn't trust my life to" threads, but yet many of these so called woodsman 'survivalist' would be lost without a guided system...


I digress, So in short IMO you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you cannot sharpen freehand... There is a video of Murray Carter sharpening on a cinder block and stropping on a newspaper and then shaving with it:eek: Put that in your pipe and smoke it.. :p

happy trails
 
I also find Silicon Carbide paper (400 to 2000) on mousepad and finishing by leather strop with the green compound quite forgiving for a lot of knives.
 
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