Sharpmaker - first time buyer/user ?

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I'm about to purchase a Sharpmaker by Spyderco to sharpen my dad and I's knives. I was wondering if the stones that the Sharpmaker come with are sufficient or should I get an ultra-fine or diamond stones as well?

I have a ZDP-189 Leek, a Leatherman Charge TTi with S30V, a CRKT M16-13M using AUS 8, and my dad's knives are like Kissing Crane, the Eyeballs, and a couple more from Solingen, Germany.

What should I do?

Thanks,
Ryan
 
I have the standard Sharpmaker setup which works fine for most of my knives. BUT, I think if you have any D-2 (and to hurry along sharpening the S30V), you should get the diamonds.
 
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If your knives are very dull, or if the bevels do not match up to the 15-20 degrees offered by the Sharpmaker, you'll be spending a LOT of time on them. Use the magic marker trick to determine the bevels. You can reprofile the bevels using the diamnond stones, but I prefer the edge-pro for that. The combo of an edge-pro and a Sharpmaker will give you sharp knives for life.
 
The Sharpmaker is a great, easy to use system but has limitations. As Tizwin says, it's not a good tool for reprofiling. It has 2 "settings" -- 40 degrees and 30 degrees. All of the Spydercos I've ever owned have edges well under 40 degrees so it works beautifully with them. Other brands are hit or miss. I'd say more than half come with edge bevels more than 40 degrees, especially near the tip. When that happens, the Sharpmaker won't do the trick, unless you're willing to spend hours and hours on the job (I did it once with a Benchmade 710HS, and that was enoughh for me).

I have the diamond rods. First, they're about 320 grit, which is faster cutting than the medium rods (about 600 grit), but still very slow. Second, mine seat themselves wider in the stand than the other rods. So when I've refrofiled with them in the 30 degree setting, for example, the other rods don't come very close to hitting the edge. In short, if I had it to do over again, I wouldn't get the diamonds.

What has worked well for me is to reprofile freehand using an extra course DMT diamond hone. Thin the edge way down with the DMT, then establish and maintain a micro-bevel with the Sharpmaker. You're first freehand results might be a little ugly (mine sure were), but they will look better with practice. For a perfect edge I think you need an Edge Pro -- I have one on order. :D

I also have the ultra-fine rods. I have found them to be worth it, but all they do is give you a more polished edge. A more polished edge is better for push cutting, while a courser edge is generally better for draw cuts. Really, the regular fine stones will give you an edge that's useful for a lot of cutting chores. For some knives, like kitchen knives, I stop at the mediums, or even the diamond rods.

Go ahead and get the Sharpmaker -- it's a great tool. But understand its limitations or you'll be very frustrated.
 
I'll surely look into the Edge Pro before I order the Sharpmaker. Since I own no Spydercos as of yet, that 40 degree thing might have a negative effect on my sharpening. Would the Edge Pro then be better at sharpening my Kershaw ZDP-189 (which didn't come shaving sharp in my opinion), CRKT M16-13M w/ AUS 8, Benchmade Auto-Stryker w/ 154CM, and my Leatherman Charge TTi w/ S30V?

Can anyone link me up with a good thread on how to sharpen? Also, any threads on bevels, grinds, finishes, etc... ?

Thanks for all the help so far...
Ryan
 
I've had my Edge Pro Apex for just over a week now, and I'll vouch for the EP/SM combo as being the way to go. The Edge Pro rocks for rapid material removal, and can then take your bevel up to a mirror finish. Once you reprofile to (say) 25 degrees or so, you can sharpen for a long time with the Sharpmaker at 30 degrees before you have to break out the EdgePro again.

So far I've done a pretty serious reprofile job on a Busse Active Duty, and a less extreme job on a Meaner Street and a Benchmade Nimravus. At the risk of repeating photos I've posted elsewhere, here's a shot of the Busses. (Original bevel on top, reprofiled in middle and bottom)

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And a close up...

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Edited to add: The finish isn't perfect on the AD, but it was the first knife I ever reprofiled. I'll hit it again later and get it lookin all fancy-like.
 
A million thanks for the info and photos. That's a great source of advice as I really would like to re-profile my CKRT M16-13M and maybe even my ZDP-189 Leek to a single-sided bevel (forget the name of it...).

Thanks again,
Ryan

EDIT UPDATE: I researched the Edge Pro and it's amazing. I watched videos, read customer comments and read reviews on it and I want to pick one up. Thanks for the tips guys...

UPDATE #2: I recently gave my ZDP-189 Leek a few swipes on a Gerber pocket sharpener (I think it's "diamond") and it worked pretty well. It's sharper than it's ever been, and until I get an Edge Pro, this will suffice nicely. Thanks for all the advice...
 
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