Sheath thickness re-visited

sheathmaker

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A few days ago I posted a little comment in a thread concerning sheath thickness, awls and hand stitching. The purpose of this thread is to show and tell how you may not need all that thickness in your sheaths.

In the photos below, the first shows two LARGE bowies I sheathed. 9 and 10 1/2 inch blades of fairly thick stock. I took the photos prior to the final finish on the sheaths so the layers on the edge are more visible.

Second photo shows the layers, top to bottom 1 7/8, 1 2/3 (front lining), 1 7/8 welt, 1 very short wedge (tail of belt loop), 1 2/3 (back lining), 1 7/8 back of sheath. 6 layers total. This photo also shows how the sheath will mold to acommodate the unusually wide guards. The guard stand off is quite pronounced, making these two an extreme case to prove my point. Prior to the first insertion of the knife the slot opening was just about a full 1/8 inch and the blade thickness exceeded that. I had to bend the loop back for that first insertion in order to seat the knife all the way to the guard. It started to mold to shape almost immediately, then I dampened the leather a bit to help it along. The thickest point on the sheath is at the mouth and the six layers, (seven layers counting the chevron overlay for the stud) it measures 9/16 inch there and tapers quickly to 7/16 inch on to the toe on both sheaths, making for a relatively thin sheath over all.

Third and fourth photos are for reference only showing the same pose photo of the second knife and the two together showing general thickness profile.
As I stated in the previous thread, many makers tend to create more interior room than is necessary, hence a very thick and hard to hand sew sheath.
Most of my sheaths only have a 7/8 oz. single welt unless it's a pouch sheath and the knife has a very fat handle, then I'll sneak in one wedge.

Hope this is of some use to you guys.

Paul
 
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Thanks for the write up, That explains alot. One of these days I would like to build a lined sheath or two.
 
I'am guilty your honour, will apply this to the next large job i get, thankyou. Looking forward to your new DVD.
Brent
 
I believe it was also directed (or prompted) by a sheath I posted with 9 or 10 layers or something stupid like that.

It was a beast to stitch.

I won't be making one that thick again.
 
Hey Paul.. Thanks for those photos. I always wondered how you handled that kind of transition, from a large guard to blade.
Is the short wedge all the way across? Do you sew down the back 2/3 lining piece? I looks like the short wedge sits on top of the back lining piece.
 
Hey Paul.. Thanks for those photos. I always wondered how you handled that kind of transition, from a large guard to blade.
Is the short wedge all the way across? Do you sew down the back 2/3 lining piece? I looks like the short wedge sits on top of the back lining piece.


The short wedge is the tail end of the belt loop and it is full width and it does sit on top of the back piece liner. This wedge is 3/4' to 1" depending on the particular sheath and it is held in place with barge cement and the two edge seams, The retention strap, if any, is also tucked in there and held by just barge and the two seams. None of the back piece liner has any stitching other than the side seams on the body of the sheath. It is not stitched over the top of the loop. My experience on literally thousands of sheaths is that is does not need stitches. The oldest ones I have in the field are about ten years old now and haven't had a failure yet.

Paul
 
I believe it was also directed (or prompted) by a sheath I posted with 9 or 10 layers or something stupid like that.

It was a beast to stitch.

I won't be making one that thick again.


Holy crap! LOL.

Most layers I've used has been 6 so far to accept an overly round handle...it was my first sheath. It was an 8/9oz pouch style. I had the back piece, tapered spacer, welt, 2 tapered spacers and front piece. I have since ripped it apart, removed one of the front spacers and reassembled it. I think I could even stand to do it again and take out the rear spacer.

I was just so concerned with making the fit not too tight that i over compensated myself and the ability of the leather to stretch. I've learned alot since then :)
 
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