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Captain Spaulding

Captain Spaulding

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Since you are all so damn thorough about everything I thought you might have some good input here.

We are moving into a new place later this year and will need to purchase a shed to go on the property. I am looking for something with a relatively tall ceiling to accommodate upward storage and possibly abit of shop space...nto a ton. It will also be gear storage. Any thoughts?

I looked at tough shed and shit are they proud of their product. Is it worth it? 3 grand for a shed? I would think there would be less expensive high quality options, but what do I know?
 
Captain Spaulding said:
Since you are all so damn thorough about everything I thought you might have some good input here.

We are moving into a new place later this year and will need to purchase a shed to go on the property. I am looking for something with a relatively tall ceiling to accommodate upward storage and possibly abit of shop space...nto a ton. It will also be gear storage. Any thoughts?

I looked at tough shed and shit are they proud of their product. Is it worth it? 3 grand for a shed? I would think there would be less expensive high quality options, but what do I know?
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No. Sheds are absolute BS.
Block costs how much nowadays ? 75 cents a piece ?
A 10 by 10, 10 feet tall is about 465 block, more or less.
With the "economy" or lack thereof, You can grab a block mason for $100 a day.
A good mason can slap down 400 a day with ease. A hotdog can do 600.
You'll need to pour a floor. 2 yards. $125 plus 1 day labor to form, add wire and bar and finish..
You want it uber tough ? Pour every cell of the block with concrete and have the mason put one #3 in every other cell, tied into the footer, and do a 8 by 12 inch tie beam up top.
Worst case scenario your looking at 2 grand and you have something REAL.

Kinda like the people that spend 50 grand on a damn house trailer. I don't get it.
 
Toucan Oasis said:
No. Sheds are absolute BS.
Block costs how much nowadays ? 75 cents a piece ?
A 10 by 10, 10 feet tall is about 465 block, more or less.
With the "economy" or lack thereof, You can grab a block mason for $100 a day.
A good mason can slap down 400 a day with ease. A hotdog can do 600.
You'll need to pour a floor. 2 yards. $125 plus 1 day labor to form, add wire and bar and finish..
You want it uber tough ? Pour every cell of the block with concrete and have the mason put one #3 in every other cell, tied into the footer, and do a 8 by 12 inch tie beam up top.
Worst case scenario your looking at 2 grand and you have something REAL.

Kinda like the people that spend 50 grand on a damn house trailer. I don't get it.
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That is a fantastic solution that I had not considered. I have no idea why.:confused:
 
Captain Spaulding said:
What is a pole shed?
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Basically it's some poles, or logs, used as columns and trusses and a roof attached. I often put the corrugated zinc as siding. I store, and dry, lumber in mine.
Go with a block structure and have a heavy azz steel door made at a welding shop and you have a very secure bomb shelter.
Find a locksmith that carries the pin type American superlock to secure the door. Hinges inside. Door swings in.
 
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Toucan Oasis said:
Basically it's some poles, or logs, used as columns and trusses and a roof attached. I often put the corrugated zinc as siding. I store, and dry, lumber in mine.
Go with a block structure and have a heavy azz steel door made at a welding shop and you have a very secure bomb shelter.
Find a locksmith that carries the pin type American superlock to secure the door. Hinges inside. Door swings in.
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I like that idea but that would significantly decrease the useable sq ft inside. Maybe a Roladen for a door?
 
Whatever floats your boat but... Two grand for a 10x10? I stickbuilt a 12x12 with roughsawn siding (painted) over 2x4 studs, pecan paneled inside with painted blandex ceiling, linoleum flooring, 3068 steel door, one 2636 thermopane window, shelves all around, a 18"x5' countertop, painted steel standing seam roof for less than $1,500. Oh, and it is wired with four outlets, two inside lights and an outside flood light and weatherproof outlet on the four by eight porch. Ceiling height is eight feet in the front and seven in the rear. It has soffet vents and ceiling vents. And I can move it.
 
here in Vancouver we call those condos and market them to the yuppies for $400,000 to 1, 000,000
 
Codger_64 said:
Whatever floats your boat but... Two grand for a 10x10? I stickbuilt a 12x12 with roughsawn siding (painted) over 2x4 studs, pecan paneled inside with painted blandex ceiling, linoleum flooring, 3068 steel door, one 2636 thermopane window, shelves all around, a 18"x5' countertop, painted steel standing seam roof for less than $1,500. Oh, and it is wired with four outlets, two inside lights and an outside flood light and weatherproof outlet on the four by eight porch. Ceiling height is eight feet in the front and seven in the rear. It has soffet vents and ceiling vents. And I can move it.
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How do you move it?
 
I built it on 4x6 treated wood posts for skids and set it on blocks with flashing shields to keep it away from termites. To move it, you just jack it up and back a trailer under it. Smaller moves can be done by one man with a prybar (San Angelo bar) and another to reset the blocks during the move. It has 2x6 floor joists attached to the skids. Last time I moved it a distance, I had a friend with a LARGE forklift pick it up and set it on a car hauler trailer. It is max width to haul on secondary highways here with an escort and no permit. A portable building moving service wanted $150 to do it (15 miles), but they were going to get a road permit and paid escort.
 
Codger_64 said:
Whatever floats your boat but... Two grand for a 10x10? I stickbuilt a 12x12 with roughsawn siding (painted) over 2x4 studs, pecan paneled inside with painted blandex ceiling, linoleum flooring, 3068 steel door, one 2636 thermopane window, shelves all around, a 18"x5' countertop, painted steel standing seam roof for less than $1,500. Oh, and it is wired with four outlets, two inside lights and an outside flood light and weatherproof outlet on the four by eight porch. Ceiling height is eight feet in the front and seven in the rear. It has soffet vents and ceiling vents. And I can move it.
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And the final product is junk.
 
Nope. It is built like a house with studs and joists 16"OC, albeit with smaller floor joists and because of the short span, doesn't need roof trusses. If you misunderstood the siding, it is roughsawn T&G plywood, painted with good paint. Three years old and looks like new. In fact, it looks better than the house I live in.
 
on a slab it would be pretty cheap i imagine to build a cord building, with metal cladding roofing.
 
how much is a used steel cargo container withthose big swing out doors? that what i was thinking about
 
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Building codes vary widely depending on your location. Some places require permits, inspections before, during and after construction (with fees). Some places restrict the type of construction. In some places (such as here in semi-rural SW Tennessee) there are few restrictions on building type and foundation requirements. I am constrained mostly by the fact that I lease, not own my residence. SO if I build a permanent structure, it belongs to the property owner (and can affect his property taxes), and I must abandon it if I move.

Florida has some pretty restrictive building codes and I suspect the Keys are even more restrictive because of the hurricanes. I would be surprised if Colorado doesn't also have some strict building codes for permanent structures. Look around at what your neighbors have built for storage, then ask your local building inspector or permit office. They will be happy to give you suggestions and copies of codes, perhaps even approved plans. You will need a plat of the property with the proposed structure location drawn in to get the permit.

If you decide to build a permanent structure in Colorado and want to use block be sure to figure all of the associated costs.

You will need not only a slab, but a fairly deep footing because of frost heave. You will need rebar for reenforcement in the slab. Can you form, pour and finish a concrete slab? Do you have the tools and forming lumber?

I don't think you will hire a competent mason for $100 a day, but I could be wrong. That is what I pay a basic laborer here with no masonary or other construction skills. Masons here charge by the block laid and the price can equal the material cost.

Block prices vary widely. Here they are over $1 each. And you will need block ties or rebar between courses. Concrete prices vary widely too. Currently just over $100 a cubic yard. You will need the right type mortar and a mortar mixer. The mixer can be rented ($100 a day here).

Once the walls are up you still need to build a roof. A local building supply can help you calculate a truss design that will comply with the snowload requirements. I like standing seam metal roofing. I bought mine for $1 a running foot, total cost less than $150, but it was salvage bought from a pole barn construction company. That was about half price.

Depending on roof design, you might buy prebuilt trusses cheaper than you can build them yourself. I built my own because I was able to buy overrun floor trusses from that same construction company cheaper than I could buy new lumber. I just trimmed the floor trusses to size and laid them flat rather than standing up, and made a single pitch 1:12 roof.

Edited to add: When I began looking at storage buildings, I looked first at the ones that come in kits from retailers and the ones lined up in building supply parking lots. To me THOSE were crap! And expensive for what they were.
 
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As was said earlier, definately check into the codes of the area in which you are moving.

In the city that I live in a shed that is considered a temporary building(meaning it is not permanantly attached to the ground, like building that is built on skids and setting on pavers) it can be no larger than 140 sq. ft. without having a permit. If it is built as a permanent building(like a slab floor) it has to have a permit to be built and is subject to be inspected by the city code inspector.

But here in Virginia you have to have a permit for almost anything nowadays. You even have to have a permit for building a fence.:grumpy:

Another thing to consider is if you are moving into a neighborhood with a neighborhood association, you also have to meet code requirements and get submit what you want built to them and get their approval.:grumpy:
 
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