Hey guys, im new to the forums so i apologize if im posting this in the wrong area, im currently in the process of buying a benchmade 51 and was wondering if it is illegal to ship it to my house in queens, new york. any information would be greatly appreciated, also i do have a second house in Pennsylvania and i have shipped balisongs there before so i know that will not be an issue but i was wondering instead of me shipping it 200 miles away then driving to get it can i just ship it to my new york house? I do realize that there a probably multiple posts on this issue already but i could find any that matched my exact predicament, thanks in advance! -Vin D.
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Guys it does not to have to spell out balisong in the statures, depending where you live they could be considered switchblades gravity knives and i guess now as the poster above said dirks or daggers...if any of these are illegal to carry chances are balisongs are in there somewhere....check court cases to see if there is any precedent(?)
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there is precedent already.
In People v Zuniga, 303 AD2d 773, 759 NYS2d 86 (2d Dept 2003), the Appellate Division held that possessing a "butterfly knife" did not constitute a "gravity knife." The butterfly knife requires manual locking and thus does not come within the definition of "gravity knife."
Similarly, in People v Mott, 137 Misc2d 757, 522 NYS2d 429 (County Ct 1987), the judge inspected the knife and recorded his observations: "Such a knife is a folding knife with a split handle. In the closed position, the knife is covered on each side and at the point by two metal guards attached to the blade's base. To open the knife, the metal guards are folded back until they meet and are clasped and thereby form a handle for the blade." Again, the court held that the butterfly knife did not constitute a "gravity knife."
In People v Dolson, 142 Misc2d 779, 538 NYS2d 393 (County Court 1989), the judge stated: "While this appears to meet the first part of the statutory definition of a gravity knife, an important difference exists here. The blade of the knife recovered from Appellant does not lock into place 'when released' from its cover."
http://muldoongetz.com/issue53.html
In People v Zuniga, 303 AD2d 773, 759 NYS2d 86 (2d Dept 2003), the Appellate Division held that possessing a "butterfly knife" did not constitute a "gravity knife." The butterfly knife requires manual locking and thus does not come within the definition of "gravity knife."
Similarly, in People v Mott, 137 Misc2d 757, 522 NYS2d 429 (County Ct 1987), the judge inspected the knife and recorded his observations: "Such a knife is a folding knife with a split handle. In the closed position, the knife is covered on each side and at the point by two metal guards attached to the blade's base. To open the knife, the metal guards are folded back until they meet and are clasped and thereby form a handle for the blade." Again, the court held that the butterfly knife did not constitute a "gravity knife."
In People v Dolson, 142 Misc2d 779, 538 NYS2d 393 (County Court 1989), the judge stated: "While this appears to meet the first part of the statutory definition of a gravity knife, an important difference exists here. The blade of the knife recovered from Appellant does not lock into place 'when released' from its cover."
http://muldoongetz.com/issue53.html
Good to know...now if i had one suggestion to make will be to get copies of these precedents and keep them in your wallet...you are going to need them if you carry your bali in NY....
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along with a copy of your miranda rights and constitution maybe 
i dont know if you think is funny i suggested that, but you can never be to careful if you want to keep your ass out of jail even if it is for one night cops do not know all laws and if you look like you know what you are talking about you could skate(?)...In FL a "common" pocket knife with a blade under 4 inches can not be considered a concealed weapon and the FL supreme court has said so too, but i did had a cop try to argue just that on a traffic stop when she saw my spyderco in my pocket...i can only imagine if i was in NY....along with a copy of your miranda rights and constitution maybe
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If we're only talking about the city itself, NY is a bad place to carry knives around. Especially subways. The MTA police behaves differently than standard city police.
I switch to a swiss army knife whenever i go into the city.
I switch to a swiss army knife whenever i go into the city.
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U have me curious because I've been FL LEO for a few minutes now. I don't doubt for a second that some misinformed cop gave u a rash of dookie, it happens more than it should, I would just like to know what county it happened in. Also - there is no mention of length in our statute. While it does come down to "common pocket knife" that whole 'less than 4 inches' doesn't have any legal bearing.
BTW - I really don't think he was making fun of your idea to carry copies of case law. I think he was just pointing out that, in that region, our most important documentation and legal decisions have been utterly ignored by the so called authorities :-( so the case law wouldn't be enough when the tyrants don't even understand the BoR.
thanks for pointing that out ...some times my understanding of English is not that good
That happened down south in Monroe county many years ago and this incident made me obtain a CCW(i figure it will help me avoid the hustle) The Statute dont say anything about length but there was a case in the FL supreme court and they did ruled that (i dont remember the language exactly) that a folding knife with a blade under 4 inches is not a concealed weapon the used the term "common pocket knife"
BTW the police officer let me go because she was not sure about it and i did not got an attitude either i just lost an hour of my life LOL
As for the bailsongs in NYS and NYC...As a former NYC LEO you will be arrested for one. They have been considered "dangerous knives" whose primary use is that of a weapon by design. The USPS has also declared them switchblades as was the result in the Syderco case, so don't mail them via USPS....
How did the officer know that you were carrying a knife? Did she see a pocket clip? That is why I removed the pocket clip from my Cold Steel folder and tossed it into the trash bin. I carry fully concealed. Never had a problem with LEOs. The less they see, the better. Especially in anti-knife jurisdictions like Boston and NYC.
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From what I know, Bali's are not illegal in new york state, but they are illegal in new york city.
That being said, as long as you don't go telling the people that work at the post office or ups that your having a bali shipped to you, it shouldn't be any trouble. it is illegal to import them, but it happens every day. if they can get in to the country, you should have no problems having it sent to your house. just use common sense and you'll be able to effortlessly fly under the radar.
That being said, as long as you don't go telling the people that work at the post office or ups that your having a bali shipped to you, it shouldn't be any trouble. it is illegal to import them, but it happens every day. if they can get in to the country, you should have no problems having it sent to your house. just use common sense and you'll be able to effortlessly fly under the radar.