Shiva Ki?

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I have heard and seen work from this maker before, but have never seen much discussion anywhere. He was featured in the recent issue of Tactical Knives and my curiosity was prodded. While at first I thought it could be an interesting article, I was quickly disappointed. The article was definitely slanted and far from an honest review. Not much could be gathered about the quality of the blades submitted other than "they were the sharpest knives I have ever tested" and how the maker imparts a mystical quality to his blades. Does anyone here have any experience with him or his blades? A couple of the designs looked interesting but I can do without the idol worship that the author chose to portray and the karma the blades are said to possess and would rather have something more concrete to evaluate. Thanks.
 
I believe that part of Shiva Ki's sharpness comes from its extra wide blade, making the edge really thin. The same goes for RJ Martin's Quest, with the wide blade, thin edge, good steel, that kind of sharpness is not impossible to attain. There's no mystical thingamajigs here IMHO.
 
As a knife reviewer who has handled 100's of knives from well respected maker's, when he makes a statement like that he had better be able to back it up IMO. I have forged blades that approach 2" in width, relatively thin stock (approx. 3/16"), fully flat ground with thin convex edges. They get plenty sharp (cut free standing hair, slice cigarette paper, cut rope, empty soda cans and plastic bottles, etc.), slice like cray and chop well. For someone to say that one maker's blades are head and shoulders above the others makes me wonder what all the fuss is about.
 
the couple of Shiva Ki knives I have seen were sorta rustic/primitive in appearance. Cool designs but seemed to be a little missing for what the dealers were asking(don't know how their prices compared to Shiva's asking price). One fighter had a very thick edge that I would not have been able to let be if I'd owned it. Keep in mind though ,that was 15 years ago so but it is what I have seen. Never heard anything "bad" about Shiva himself so maybe a call or letter to him would prove enlightening :)
 
Jamie....

Use caution with this individual.....I had some business dealings with him some years ago, and got taken to the cleaners........to this day, he still has never made it right.
 
Thanks for the input guys and the advice. While I had no intentions of purchasing a knife from him I was still interested in what anyone could tell me from a pure curiosity perspective. Just as well I guess as there are enough honest, hardworking smiths around for me to spend my money on :D

BTW Ed, sorry you got burned.
 
Blademan
I also expected more from the recent article. It was sort of a let down. We need to try and get away from all the smoke and mirror BS.
Tom
 
I hear ya Tom. Has anyone ever seen a disparaging review in TK? I find myself rolling my eyes quite a bit when reading this magazine. I had never heard of this maker before reading the article, but my BS alarm was shrieking when I saw the reference to "Mystical Steel" or whatever it was they were calling it. It does have me curious enough to see what else I can find out about this maker.
 
For what it's worth, Steven Dick had stated in the past something to the effect that if a knife is truly bad, it just won't make it into the magazine.

My problem isn't with Tactical Knives, but with the author of the article. For the most part, his articles have been puff pieces touting various high end makers. No real content there.
 
Seems to me it is the same "good ole boys club", that has been around for ages. Hard for the no-names in the business to catch a break, even tho they may make a better knife.


Ken Beatty
 
Hi Mongo,

Love the BS Alarm. Yours is obviously working fine. Shiva has been around for along time. I would have like to have seen the article discuss his "past business dealings" as well as where he has been for the last 6 years or so. He more or less just disappeared from the custom knife making scene. Where did he go and why is back?

Hi Bob,

You are correct. Steven does have a policy regarding the admission or omission of particular knives. If the knife is not worth the ink, it just doesn't get into the magazine.

I have had writers from TK do articles on Bob Neal and I's LDC Knives. As well as my Vanguard knives. In each instance the writer asked me about "negative" aspects of the knives.

Many knife makers are reluctant to submit knives to Steven for an article. For two reasons:

First, they either don't want to because they are not completely confident of their work. They fear (wether justified or not) the knife will receive negative press.

This is why Steven's policy is in place. No knife magazine is in the business to "rip apart" a knife or a knife maker.

Second, can't afford to have a knife be with a writer for a few weeks.

Hi Ken,

First and foremost, any publication is there to inform. However, since paper, printing, photography and shipping are not free, the magazine has to make a profit.

This of course is done through sales. What sells magazines in part is putting in the magazine what the majority of the readership is interested in.

This "good ole boys club" exists because they are the ones over the course of a decade or more. Got off of their asses and did something about marketing their products.

These makers you speak of, what have they done to get in a magazine. Which professional photgrapher took pictures of their work? Which writer and or editor did they contact? Etc.

If you know of a maker who is doing this excellent work and is undiscovered, you should write an article. Perhaps you have.

I have been a custom knife dealer for 18 years. I will tell you there is more talent out there right now than I have ever seen. As such it is almost impossible to know of everyone who is making a quality knife.

Too many makers are reluctant to treat their knifemaking like a business. They feel that making a quality product should be enough. In today's market, because of all the talent out there right now. Making a quality knife is not enough.

On another forum, for $100 I offered step by step instructions on how to get into a knife magazine. Which I would refund, if your knife(s) did not get into a magazine using this method.

I wrote this in response to an thread where makers were complaining that only the "good ole boys" get in the magazine.

Anticipating a huge response I waited and waited and waited. Finally over the course of 2 weeks. Three makers contacted me who were willing to pay the $100.

They of course received this information for FREE as would any knife maker who contacted me. Sorry, the offer has ended.

My offer was a marketing tool to find out which knife makers thought enough of their knives to spend $100 to guarantee inclusion into a knife magazine. To see how many understood that the $100 would be returned to them with the very first knife they sold because of their inclusion into a knife magazine.

So Ken the next time you think it's only the good ole boys. Ask that maker what they did to introduce themselves to a magazine. When they respond with a confused look or the answer "nothing". You will know why they are not in a magazine.

Successful people, in whatever line of work, do not sit around waiting to "catch a break". They are proactive and create their own "breaks".
 
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