Shomer-Tec Titanium Knife

For titanium, that's a really good deal. Newt Livesay charges 2x as much for something 1/2 that size.
 
That's not beta ti so it's very soft -- softer than even the cheapest junk steel knives. It's good enough for self-defense but if you try to use it for anything else you'll spend a lot of time sharpening it.
 
What are you interested in seeing it perform at? "It is ideal for anyone who is around saltwater or is in need of a good EOD tool." Notice they say nothing about cutting.

The reason Livesay's Ti neckers are so small is that they were designed to be stealthy stabbers, light enough to carry unobtrusively and comfortably.

Mission's Ti knives are much more expensive but I have a couple of them that perform pretty well at light cutting in the kitchen, and even keep their edges.

Like the man said, "You get what you pay for."
 
Cougar Allen said:
That's not beta ti so it's very soft -- softer than even the cheapest junk steel knives. It's good enough for self-defense but if you try to use it for anything else you'll spend a lot of time sharpening it.
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6AL4V is the same Ti that MOD is using for their $300 Beshara XSF-1 Dagger.
 
Yes, Mission is the only manufacturer using Beta Ti, unfortunately. All the other ti knives on the market are ordinary non-hardenable titanium.
 
ti is classified as beta alloys, apha alloys and a mix of.
fairly common Ti-6Al-4V is Alpha + beta alloys can be strengthened by heat treatment

more info here
http://www.materialsengineer.com/E-Titanium.htm

I've got several Newt ti neck knives and they all hold a decent edge. I can slice paper with a tiny bit of tear.

one of my buddies is a test inspector and has done rockwell testing on his ti woo. need to ask him what rockwell ti woo tested to.
Newt is known for his excellent heat-treat and would be real surprised if Newt ti knives are not heat-treated from beta ti and/or apha + beta ti

much has been stated about using ti in diving/saltwater enviroment.
try EDC a neck knife everday for awhile and salt from your body start eating into your steel blade.

IMHO Newt's ti woo's makes the ultimate neck knive EDC carry. utility sharp is not as important when used as a backup knife of last resort.

main problem with Newt knives is actually getting your hands on one.

here's a pic of a one-off spear headed ti woo that's available. please PM if interested.

edit: just realize I need to upgrade to Gold membership to sell. can you pay with paypal?

ti woo spear.JPG
 
Haven't handled or owned any titanium blades,but have heard good things about the Mission knives as pointed out by Esav. :)
 
I personally own and love a Mission MPF 1 all titanium knife!! This is a fantastic knife!! It is one of my all time favorite knives!! And if you opt to buy that knife, you get what you pay for, like someone else has said! If you really want a quality Ti knife; I highly recommend a Mission knife.

 
I' d like to know how Newt Livesay heat treats his blades. I had a few of his cord wrapped Ti neckers a few years ago. They were very springy in the sense of being able to bend with application of finger pressure only. They wouldn' t cut worth a darn.

Cougar, I don' t agree with your statement of all other Ti blades on the market being non hardenable. I have a one of a kind Dozier made Ti skeleton with a high hollow grind. It takes a lot of time and consistent pressure on a diamond benchstone to be able to obtain a sharp edge. But it has done a fine job at cutting paper, cardboard, paracord, cotton poly rags, twine, adhesive tape, duct tape, rubber, foodstuff and more. It has held a fairly good edge. And has not shown signs of chipping nor rolling. I have not pryed, levered, chopped nor had it batoned. As it was not made for that. But overall, I can confidently say that it will make for an excellent emergency tool where lightweight, compactness and potential corrosion are factors to be considered.

N.
 
Nakano 2 said:
I had a few of his cord wrapped Ti neckers a few years ago. They were very springy in the sense of being able to bend with application of finger pressure only. They wouldn' t cut worth a darn.
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I got one of those from you! :D

I don't use it for cutting, but I just tried the edge on a piece of heavy paper and it sliced nicely. It will pierce flesh.

Not your everyday utility knife, though.
 
ti has extreme elasticity and is dificult to cold form due to ti wanting to spring back.

have never seen a ti knife yet that will come close to cutting of a nice steel blade. I too would like to find out how Newt heat treated ti for his knives.

can't get ahold him at all. everything is cut-off. however should be able to get my buddy an inspection tech to test ti woo for rockwell hardness.

keep in mind ti woo is designed as weapon of last resort. it was never meant to be used as a utility blade.

main advantage is corrosion resistance. those of you that have actually EDC a neck knife daily at least 6 months. understand how important resistance to corosion can be.

it's a pretty salty inviroment next to your skin in 100 degree temps.

just sold a ti woo, std woo and excutive woo's to some of our boys getting ready to deploy to iraq.
 
CY_ said:
main advantage is corrosion resistance. those of you that have actually EDC a neck knife daily at least 6 months. understand how important resistance to corosion can be.
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It's not that hard to wipe a knife down with a Tuf Cloth now and then. Still, it should be good if you carry it just for self-defense.
 
opsss... forgot other major advantage of neck ti knife besides corosion. that's weight.

a few grams may not make any differance to some, but you are more likely to EDC a neck knife if feather weight.

and yes you can use some type of film to help against corrosion for a steel knife, but that film will be laying against your skin.

see this has been posted before, but bears repeatly. the shealth & how secure it holds knife is everything in a neck knife.

Newt makes the best kydex shealths that I've personaly seen. It's my understanding that Newt was the first to come up with the Neck knife/kydex sheath concept.

Does anyone know of another knife maker that did this before Newt?
 
Esav, that' s why I sold it to you! :D :eek: Ha! Ha!

Kidding aside, I think most Ti neckers are suitable and best when regulated to emergency/ backup use. Another thing, although it CAN BE ARGUED, Ti is non magnetic and non metallic. And therefore can be passed thru metal detectors without giving off a signal.

If you are a SpecOps, covert, spook working for whatever un- named government agency that has no knowledge of your existence :D then a Ti blade may work for you. Densinometers are another story.

I believe the first use of kydex for knives was started by Tom Maringer of Vorpal sword fame- many, many years ago. We can only guess who made neck sheaths with them first...

N.
 
can ti knives really be passed thru a metal detector?

have seen this posted several times, but is it true?

check out this Newt neck knife for total concealed carry thru metal detectors....

newt firbre.JPG


newt firbre 2.JPG
 
There are different kinds of metal detectors. The old ones worked on magnetism and only detected iron/steel. Modern detectors will pick up any metal. You will not get Ti past them.
 
Talonite is great for neck knives. It has all the corrosion-resistance of Ti but seems to cut better. I've worn a Rob Simonich Bitteroot in Talonite for years. It's one of the best slicers I own and it holds an edge for a long time.

--Bob Q
 
bquinlan said:
Talonite is great for neck knives. It has all the corrosion-resistance of Ti but seems to cut better. I've worn a Rob Simonich Bitteroot in Talonite for years. It's one of the best slicers I own and it holds an edge for a long time.

--Bob Q
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could someone post a pic of a talonite knife or a direct link please.

I've tried looking for it on several sites listed with no luck finding any info.

thanks,
 
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