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I was reading this on the net and thought I'd share it here since we talk about guns a lot. These are from Canada, but I think it would apply anywhere:

Case G is a firearms instructor for the Security industry. He contacted LEADLINE after watching a TV home improvement program on lead paint. When he had his blood lead tested and found he had a blood lead level of 1.68 µmol/L (35 µg/dL) his doctor "was helpful, but I don’t think she knows that much about it herself". The senior police sergeant in charge of the Firearms Registry in his area had suggested that he be tested when the instructor started getting "very short-tempered". The Firearms Registry supervises all security firearms instructors in Victoria. The senior sergeant had been lead-poisoned himself (4.1 µmol/L - over 80 µg/dL) and needed chelation, and so was aware of the symptoms. The Victorian Police Department’s Central Firearms Registry has prepared a 5 page information leaflet for instructors on the dangers of lead poisoning.

The instructor had previously worked only on outdoor ranges. The day after running his first 3 hour course at an indoor range, he felt "generally off-colour. The range isn’t well-ventilated". After 12 of these sessions, "I have violent mood swings -my wife says it’s like bad PMT. I realise it at the time but I can’t stop myself. Any increase of pressure on me is hard to handle. When I go out into the sun, if I get a lot of UV, I know I’m going to get a lead dump. I get hot flushes - it feels like I’m spontaneously combusting from inside - my entire body heats up and breaks out into a sweat. [See article following "Lead Poisoning: the Summer Disease".] I have short term memory loss and I get a hot metallic taste in my mouth after work." He also suffers joint pain for which he is being treated with anti-inflammatories. His marriage has been put under considerable strain, but knowing the cause of his problems has made it easier for him and his wife to cope with them.

He has since been attending the same doctor who is treating the senior sergeant, and has been told he is "at a stage where he is going to be having some problems" and should consider chelation treatment, but he is self-employed and can’t afford to be out of work. Also he "has been told that there is a 50/50 chance of necrosis of the kidneys." He is trying to handle the situation by "keeping the gun work to a minimum" - he has not been back to the indoor range since his diagnosis, though he understands the people there have been making more of an effort to clean up the place, by "wetting down and sweeping."

When LEADLINE contacted the senior sergeant to obtain a copy of the Firearms Registry information on lead poisoning, he said that when he had been to the US for training he had been impressed with the ventilation of the indoor rifle/shooting ranges. He came back to teach for the Police Academy at the first Victorian indoor range and "It was a hole in the ground - they will not pay for ventilation or filtration. The Academy staff was lead poisoned from day one." He said that most pistol and rifle shooters would not know they could be at risk of lead poisoning, and would not know of the need for blood lead testing.

Case H is a 41 year old serving member of the Victorian Police Force who was a police pistol instructor for two years. Shortly after he commenced work at the range he had a blood lead level reading of 0.72 µmol/L (15 µg/dL).

After 2 years, his health began to fail He became ill and after a lengthy delay and numerous prescriptions of antibiotics he finally collapsed. He was lead tested and found to have a blood lead reading of 3.6 µmol/L (74.5 µg/dL). During his time at the pistol range he had requested from the Police Medical Branch that he be supplied with a copy of his readings, or at least be informed of his lead levels. His requests were rejected. He eventually took an action out in the Supreme Court, settled out of court and was awarded $10,000. He was tested again twelve months after leaving the range and still had a reading of 2.6 µmol/L (53.82 µg/dL). His doctor at that stage advised him that this reading was acceptable. It was subsequently found that this haematologist was referring to the old standard of 25 µg/dL.

He changed doctors and after two years of being "free from working at the range" he still had a reading which the doctor described as "very high". The new doctor, who contacted the LEADLINE Project, said that he had undertaken medical training during the 50’s and "knew a bit about lead probably because of the war." He had undertaken some research when the officer had presented and contacted the Flinders Medical Centre who told the doctor that there was no treatment. The doctor admitted his patient to hospital after the patient experienced a severe bout of depression and a treatment regime was undertaken involving BAL (British Anti Lewisite) This treatment of intramuscular injections was described by the patient as "excruciatingly painful, but I did feel better afterwards." The doctor commented that perhaps he should have given massive doses of Vitamin D to mobilise the lead during the treatment.

Seven years later the police officer has just had a normal reading of 0.40 µmol/L (8.28 µg/dL). He still has severe headaches that can last for two weeks, and is aware that he is sunlight sensitive. As a serving member of the Police Force he cannot always avoid sun exposure and this often leads to debilitating "migraine style headaches". He has been treated with morphine, pethidine and more recently with cortisone for the headaches. The cortisone is to reduce the brain swelling which the doctor attributes to the lead poisoning.

The police officer stated that "I didn’t realise that there was a problem. It just creeps up on you. One minute you are mad crazy and the next you are in a corner crying. I had mood swings from severe aggression to severe depression." He stated that his wife had commented in the past that "he was not the man she married" because of his mood swings. These had now improved as his blood lead levels decreased. He stated that they had no trouble conceiving their first child, who was 18 months old when he began work at the pistol range, but they did have difficulty conceiving their second child which was when he would have had high levels. He had also experienced a drop in libido for about two years, but that he just hadn’t recognised it as a problem at the time.

After the officer was transferred the range was "gutted" and the insulation bats which were about 10-12 cms thick were removed. "You can usually pick up a pack of twenty bats with no trouble." However, these bats were so heavy with impregnated lead that it took two men to lift each bat. He remembered that the ventilation system used to often be clogged up. He and other officers were provided with overalls, boots and a mask with a filter on the sides, but the mask was very uncomfortable to wear while cleaning out the bullet traps and "we didn’t wear them much. A helmet type mask would have been better". The range was cleaned by a civilian cleaner, but he did not clean the bullet traps, the police did. The office which they used was adjacent to the range and was their rest room, meal room, their total environment. It was often covered in a fine black dust.

He recently arrested a local man for assault and a domestic violence offence. Upon questioning, the offender was identified as a painter of some twenty five years experience who did a lot of work renovating old cottages, stripping back old paint. The officer referred him to his doctor, who subsequently attributed the painter’s "sudden, aberrant behaviour" to lead poisoning.

This police officer still has severe effects some seven years after being poisoned. He has recently received a call from the sergeant who took over his position at the range after he left, asking about his symptoms. He advised his replacement to have a medical check.

The police officer was being visited by a friend who was a pistol instructor for the security industry when the friend complained of a severe "across the front of the head" headache. Once again the officer recommended a visit to his doctor and the friend was found to have blood lead levels even higher than himself (see Lead Workers: Case G). The pistol instructor told the doctor that he had noticed he was having aggressive mood swings.\

Does anyone know what the best thing to wash your hands and arms with after shooting to get any lead residue off?
 
Looking at MSDS's for various lead products(the particular quote is one pulled from a lead nitrate MSDS), looks like just regular osap and lots of water does fine.

Skin


Quickly remove contaminated clothing. Wipe of excess from skin. Wash skin with soapy water for at least 15 minutes. Wash clothes promptly. Seek immediate medical attention. Thoroughly clean shoes before re-use.


I've always just done that, don'to think lead particularly adheres to skin or anything, so jsut a matter of flushing and cleaning action to wash it away.
 
Liberal amounts of liquid soap and water will work just fine. Start off with just the liquid soap so that the soap will get in the bottom of your pores and not a water droplet. Wash your face, nose, mouth and eyes. Lead poisoning is a reuslt of ingestion. But, with an indoor range a shower and a change of clothes would be a lot better than just washing your exposed skin. The lead dust is going to be on every thing and wil other wise get carried home to dust your car and house. With indoor ranges there is a larger problem of primer gas when there is poor ventilation. I don't remember what it makes but it is worse than just lead dust.
 
Thanks for the info. I knew there was some hazard, but I don't know whether I've seen any specifics for protecting yourself on any of the gun sites I've visited so I really appreciate the info.
 
Ventilation very important indoors. I usually don't use the indoor range nearest to me, but drive 10 miles farther to one that is more modern with good ventilation.

Washing up after, just soap and cold water. Cold water to keep the pores closed. I've heard smoking was bad too.

For recreational shooters I don't see much problem. Range employees, instructors, lead bullet casters need to be very careful. Reloaders a bit less. Use TMJ bullets and lead-free primers if possible.
 
BruiseLeee said:
I haven't had any problems since switching to the simulated lead flavored candies. :rolleyes: :)


That does explain quite a bit...

:D :footinmou
 
cliff355 said:
The whole lead poisoning thing is strange, but my suspicion is its more related to the inhaling of gun smoke/lead dust than physical contact of lead with the skin.

My blood levels were checked every year for eight years when I worked part-time at a police gun range. The full-timers had more lead on board, but they also had more contact with gun smoke at the range. It was outdoor but still got pretty smokey, especially on days with no breeze.

During this period I was also casting, lubing and loading thousands of bullets per year. My casting area was not particularly well ventillated and I did not wear gloves during much of the lead handling process. As a result, my hands were grey with lead alot of the time and I just washed them with water and ivory soap. In spite of this, my lead levels were always among the lowest registered during the annual blood test. However, I hate the smell of powder smoke and always tried to stay upwind of it.

If mood swings and temper problems are an indication of high lead levels I may still be o.k. After casting a million bullets or so my Christ-like benevolence is still intact as far as I know.

So how were you when they tested you? Were you in the normal range or above??

I need to paint my old house and have been concerned about lead exposure related to scraping the paint.

Do you know if say 22's with lead bullets would result in more exposure than jacketed slugs??

I have been shooting between 1 and 3 days a week, but usually only about 150 rounds each time.
 
Interesting... makes me think of a whole bunch of questions, though. Isn't range ventilation required in the US (I've always assumed it was, since everything else is regulated)?

I think cliff355 is right about the primers being the main source of lead contamination. IIRC, several companies have recently introduced "safe" rounds with lead-free primers and fully jacketed bullets for indoor range use (Winchester, hilariously, has also used tin instead of lead for the bullet core).

Hollow, are you working on the exterior or the interior? I can help out with a little advice if needed.

Bruise, I found my health improved significantly when I switched to latex paint chips. :rolleyes:

Jeremy
 
I'll be darn...I actually have nuthin' to contribute to this thread, except to say that I are now more better educated than I was. :D
 
Indoor ranges have big differences in ventilation.

And a key is only allowing jacketed ammo. This won't prevent airborne heavy metals completely but it sure reduces them.

Also, I'm not sure if primers are still containing lead and other heavy metals but I'm pretty sure they do...except for Toxic Metal Free primers. You could fire only those and eliminate most of the airborne heavy metal risk.
 
I shoot outside into a bank by my house. It's not near a well or any drainage pattern really so figure I'm safe. I was more concerned about how to remove the residue from my hands since there's usually a decent breeze blowing the smoke away.

I got to looking into and thinking about this when I read on another forum about somebody dumping bad ammo down a dug well to dispose of it and was thinking about the danger of the possible mercury in the primers getting into the water table. Then it got me to thinking about the lead aspect as well.

I wouldn't doubt if a lot of this learning disability stuff is related to lead or some other heavy metal and ADD. Wonder if the falling violent crime rate has anything to do with taking lead out of gasoline and paint?? Maybe not, but now it has me wondering.

I saw a special on TV one time where they went somewhere in the artic region and exhumed these bodies where this crew of a ship went nuts and killed the skipper or something, I can't exactly remember the details, but they tested the bodies and the theory was the food they were eating picked up lead from the tin cans and that is what accounted for the mass Phreak Out.
 
Just wash up with Hoppes.

Just kidding. You know how you can make a crystal glass "sing" by sliding your finger around the rim? This was once a kind of musical performance / instrument, where the performer would have a bunch of glasses with varying amounts of water to produce different notes. These guys tended towards insanity, and it was assumed that the strange, magical tones caused it. Leaded glass crystal.

And yes, lead based paint did cause a lot of learning disabilities. I know someone who had some tenants who sued over old LBP in their apartment. He thought he had kept the place in good repair, with the old paint properly "encapsulated" with new. The lawsuit got tossed out when fishing weights were found in the silverware drawer.
 
Shooting standing still you only get a small bit of smoke your way unless the breeze is in your face. Or if an indoor range does not have the proper ventilation (you should see the gunsmoke go downrange). But gungames like the IPSC matches I shoot are potentially worse, since you run into your own gunsmoke alot of times while moving around, and you're adrenalized and breathing hard too. The range officers have it worse since they have to follow shooters through the same stage over and over.

Edit: forgot to mention, doesn't compare much in immediacy to hearing loss or lack of eye protection. Be safe!
 
mPisi said:
Edit: forgot to mention, doesn't compare much in immediacy to hearing loss or lack of eye protection. Be safe!

...among other things. Good point.

I find it encouraging that THIS is the sort of thing that is a concern. I've got an ancestor who had an arm ripped off by some sort of agricultural equipment. Today we worry about our wrists hurting because we've been sitting in the same position typing.

(Please please please -- carpal tunnel is definitely severe. Hell, if your job is to punch stuff into a keyboard and that causes excruciating pain, that's not good. I'm just saying that I'm hoping that our industrial injuries are a tad less severe.)
 
FallingKnife said:
Just wash up with Hoppes.

Just kidding. You know how you can make a crystal glass "sing" by sliding your finger around the rim? This was once a kind of musical performance / instrument, where the performer would have a bunch of glasses with varying amounts of water to produce different notes. These guys tended towards insanity, and it was assumed that the strange, magical tones caused it. Leaded glass crystal.

The wife was out to test this guys well once cause he had been having some symptoms and had tested real high for lead. As she talked to him she found out he had been a glass blower and had had exposure there.
 
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