Shootist16's rules of firearms as applied to knives

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1) Carry the biggest round you can shoot accurately.

As applied to knives this means carry the biggest knife you can comfortably use.

2) A pistol is something you use to fight your way to a rifle (or shotgun).

As applied to knives this means a folder is something you use to fight your way to a fixed blade.


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I tend toward a large/strong folder too. I hope to NEVER have to use a knife in self-defense but I'd like for it to be up to the task if I did.

BTW,
When you click on your pistol does IT say "COMING SOON" too???
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When will that website be up anyway?

[This message has been edited by Jason Burns (edited 05-03-2001).]
 
Shootist does your philosophy apply to EDC or to self defense or both? I like large knives, I have tons of them, but I love small ones also. Small ones are also more practical for me, especially when I'm not at home. Shootist, I know that you are an LEO, and no one is going to question why you have your large Wegner or Sebenza. As a professor on a campus, anything I carry should be discreet. As for self defense, it's not a big concern for me. I don't have a particularly dangerous lifestyle and as a big guy in my prime, I suspect most crooks don't see me as an easy target. All that being said, I'm turning into a sucker for a snazzy gents knife. At one I was frustrated because I was leery of carrying my Military or AFCK, now that I'm a gent guy, my absolute biggest knives are around 8" OAL and many are between 5" & 7" OAL. These may not be intimidating, but they can do all that I need of them.
 
It will probably be longer on the website now since I broke my hand. I have to type with my left hand only and it aint easy.

To me my rules apply to everyday carry, as much as possible. I do realize that there are certain manmade limitations on what we can carry, but I still say carry the biggest you are comfortable with.

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[This message has been edited by shootist16 (edited 05-03-2001).]
 
Was reading today in the great book on military weapons I won. Reading about a WWII custom, named the Murphy Fighter, or something like that. The article was written by the son of the man who made approx. 90K knives for servicemen during WWII. They received thousands of unsolicited testimonials to the quality/usefulness of their knives. Though the knife was, I believe, smaller than the KA-BAR USMC, a captain wrote to tell how wonderfully the knife had completely beheaded a Japanese in a fight.

There is a reason why they list the reach of boxers before the fights. Reach and power are a deadly combination in that game, and in knives, I believe.

I think you're right on, Dennis. Certainly for many tasks a much smaller knife will do well. But, maximize your weaponrry when you can. Of course, now to be consistent, I have to go and sharpen my cheap Khukuri and replace the USMC by my bedside. Maybe tomorrow.

My earlier decision to use a smaller knife on my off side went out the window the moment my Goddard Ltwt. with the reversible clip arrived. So, now its my M16-14/CRKT KFF right side, and my Goddard left. Put the LUS in my fanny pack. Of course, tho, I added my Walker Ltwt to my rear right pocket, so I'd still have something smaller and handier for the little tasks.

I think somebody ought to start designing clothes for the multi-bladed wearer!


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  1. treat all knives as though they were sharp
  2. never point a knife at anything you're not willing to cut
  3. don't open the knife until you need to cut something
  4. be sure of what's under the stuff you're cutting
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    [This message has been edited by Ewok (edited 05-04-2001).]
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ewok:
  1. treat all knives as though they were sharp
  2. never point a knife at anything you're not willing to cut
  3. don't open the knife until you need to cut something
  4. be sure of what's under the stuff you're cutting
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  1. Ahh yes, who can forget those four rules. We have to cite them every time we go to the range.



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    Dennis Bible

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Remember the motto of Saint Trinian's School for Girls, "Let nobody cross us, get your blow in first, remember he who draws his sword last always comes out worst".

One of the best moves is a strong side kick while the other guy is reaching in his pocket. You really need a move that comes before you can get to your knife. Then it is awfully nice to have a blade big enough to make the other guy run while you have momentum.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mochiman1:
I say hats off for typing with a broken hand. How'd it happen? </font>
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I was arresting a guy for domestic assault against his father. He decided he wanted to assault his mother while we were there and the fight was on. I actually had him calmed down until his mother started cussing him out.


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Dennis Bible

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Maybe down to two rules:

1. Treat every blade as the sharpest you´ve ever seen.

2. Never point your knife at something that you don´t want to cut.

Shootist16,
too bad, you probably did great work calming the guy down, and then the third party ruins everything. I know how that feels (especially when the third party is a co-worker).

Be well,
Colinz
 
Shootist16,
I feel your pain.....literally. I was arresting a DUI last November and it turned into a brawl. My wrist was broken and cartilage torn. Three months off work and it still is not quite right. Good luck with rehab. Dave
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nimrod:
You guys fight far too fair.</font>
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I'll bet he would say otherwise
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Whether we are talking guns, knives, or empty hand the number one rule is to win at all costs. Use everything at your disposal if you can. And end the fight quickly. The longer it goes the more likely you are to get hurt or worse.

I can also appreciate the other coworker comment. There are officers that I try and cancel before they get there because they make situations worse.

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Dennis Bible

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Or we can take the Murphy's Law approach to knives:
Folding knives...can.
 
I agree on the firearm part, I come from the Elmer Keith school of thinking! On the knife I think it depends on the training, and what's comfortable. Most folks will be well off with a medium size knife, something in the Delica size. RKBA!
 
memnoch - I have to disagree - No matter how good you are with a wave, it's still an extra mechanical thing that has to happen before the knife is ready to use. Also, if you're doing a speed draw for real, you're in a desperate situation, and a fixed blade is more reliable, because it CAN'T fold...

I've got no problem with Emersons, and will be purchasing one as soon as the budget allows. However, my daily carry for self defense will remain a fixed blade.

# Don't let just anyone handle your knives
# Don't leave your knives sitting around

James

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I believe the ideal defense knife would be a fixed blade. We all know that during times of high stress fine motor skills go away. A fixed blade would be a lot better than having to manipulate a folder. Unfortunately most of us have to carry folders, either by law or because it is politically correct.

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