Shortage of Full SE outdoor fixed blades

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JD Spydo

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AS my BF name would indicate I am quite a fan and enthusiast of Spyderco knives and sharpening equipment. One of the main reasons I like them so much is their line up of high quality fully serrated blades ( folders & fixed) ( kitchen & general purpose). I love super high quality plain edged blades as much as most of you do but Spyderco's full SE blades are at the top of the food chain IMO in that category. Spyderco is one of the very few knife companies that produce a top notch outdoor fixed blade in full SE i.e. the FB-05 TEmperance model ( unfortunately now discontinued). Being I'm currently in the process of gearing up for very hard times I'm wanting at least 2 more full SE outdoor fixed blades and I'm discovering they are really hard to find. Even Spyderco only has one outdoor model to date.:confused:

After taking inventory of my cutlery hardware after attending a survival type seminar this weekend I've noticed that there is an industry wide shortage of fully serrated outdoor fixed blades :(. Now I know there are a lot of fixed blade SE kitchen/culinary blades out there but I want something a lot more rugged for my "bugout" footlocker". Now I am very blessed having one full SE Spyderco Temperance 1 model fixed blade. But I got to looking around the knife landscape and there are not many outdoor SE fixed blades out there at all on the open knife market> and sadly I'm including Spyderco themselves in this dilema.

I wish you all would chime in and let me know of any other possible top line production knife companies that might make/offer full SE outdoor fixed blade knives in their line up. Because that is one sector of my cutlery hardware I've taken for granted and now I"m on a search for at least 2 more full Spyderedged Spyderco FB-05 Temperance models if nothing else is available. And it really blows me away that Spyderco doesn't at least offer their newest TEmperance 2 model in SE :confused: Also if there are any of you who may know of other high quality production outdoor fixed blades in full SE currently on the market I want to know who they are.

And why are there so few SE outdoor fixed blades on the market?
 
Maybe the SE craze of the last decade is starting to wear off :rolleyes:?
If so, manufacturers are getting back to the basic PE. But back to your question. Though I'm a PE guy and really don't care for SE, if I were to get a blade with a full SE it would be a Spyderco without a doubt. Other then them, I can't remember another brand that makes a full SE as good as Spyderco does.
 
Love my Spyderco knives, but a SE does not lend itself well to outdoor related tasks as much as a PE. A lot harder to do the wood-carving required for snares/traps with a SE than a PE. A little trickier to sharpen out in the field too.
 
Is there a reason why you're not considering a fully serrated Aqua Salt? It seems like the perfect knife for you.

To answer your final question: makers aren't selling them because people aren't demanding them in very large numbers
 
Halfneck said:
Love my Spyderco knives, but a SE does not lend itself well to outdoor related tasks as much as a PE. A lot harder to do the wood-carving required for snares/traps with a SE than a PE. A little trickier to sharpen out in the field too.
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Halfneck GOD Bless you Sir :) Because I used to feel the same way you do about outdoor blades and once thought that SE blades were more for kitchen type chores. However there have been a few times where the Serrated fixed blade really came to my rescue.

About 3 years ago I was working in some North Missouri wetlands and one of the guys I was with shot a big snapping turtle for grins :eek: :D Now this guy was big and I mean every bit of 35 pounds or thereabout. I didn't want him to go to waste because I remember my Aunt who fixed me turtle soup and it was great. Well remembering how great my Aunt Ione's great Turtle soup used to taste me and one of the other guys I was working with commenced to helping me with skinning and field dressing this rascal :eek: I'm here to tell you that skinning and dressing a huge snapping turtle is not a chore for a yuppie, city slicker, well refined cosmopolitan type person :D :rolleyes: Nor is it a chore for someone who is not a country person at heart :D

Now I'm here to tell you that was indeed a major league cutting chore. And my 2 Spyderco FB05 fixed blade Temperance models (SE & PE) really saved the day. That serrated TEmp 1 sawed up that Turtle's anatomy like child's play. My 2 fellow workers were astounded at the performance of those 2 great fixed blades knives that they had made fun of just the day before :rolleyes:. But my one friend ended up liking that knife so much that he bought a pair of those Temp 1 models ( SE & PE) I had kept for back up units of both of those blades that I had stored away for emergencies. It was that day that I truly discovered the value of a full Spyderedged fixed blade. I've done several cutting chores with my serrated version of the Spyderco TEmp 1 and I love more every time I use it.

But please believe me folks when I tell you that there are indeed many cutting jobs for a fully serrated outdoor fixed blade like the Temperance 1 model. And it confuses the hell out of me that they don't at least offer the new Temperance 2 in SE at least on a special order basis :confused:.

For those of you all interested there is a splendid website of a lady who has put up excellent instructions on how to field dress a snapping turtle. Go to www.corditecountry.com.

YES There is a true need for fixed blade outdoor serrated knives!
 
elkins45 said:
Is there a reason why you're not considering a fully serrated Aqua Salt? It seems like the perfect knife for you.

To answer your final question: makers aren't selling them because people aren't demanding them in very large numbers
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Hey thank you for your feedback Elkins :) You bet!! The Aqua Salt is definitely one of Spyderco's great H-1 blades that is one my list of MUST HAVE Spyders to get.

But when you field dress a snapping turtle with a fully serrated VG-10 fixed blade it's not something you soon forget :D :cool:

I have some of Spyderco's great H-1 blades and they are all keepers.

Truly I would love to see Spyderco make an SE fixed blade with one of Crucible's great blade steels. I would even love it if they would at least offer their MORAN model in SE. And I can't for the life of me understand why they won't make at least a few of them available.

I had 4 of those FB-05 TEmp 1 models in SE a few years back and I traded away all of them except the one I currently have. >> huge mistake :o

NO there is truly a bonafide need for an outdoor fixed blade in SE. And I can't understand why they don't have at least one in their current line up :confused:
 
JD Spydo said:
Hey thank you for your feedback Elkins :) You bet!! The Aqua Salt is definitely one of Spyderco's great H-1 blades that is one my list of MUST HAVE Spyders to get.

But when you field dress a snapping turtle with a fully serrated VG-10 fixed blade it's not something you soon forget :D :cool:

I have some of Spyderco's great H-1 blades and they are all keepers.

Truly I would love to see Spyderco make an SE fixed blade with one of Crucible's great blade steels. I would even love it if they would at least offer their MORAN model in SE. And I can't for the life of me understand why they won't make at least a few of them available.

I had 4 of those FB-05 TEmp 1 models in SE a few years back and I traded away all of them except the one I currently have. >> huge mistake :o

NO there is truly a bonafide need for an outdoor fixed blade in SE. And I can't understand why they don't have at least one in their current line up :confused:
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You're confusing NEED with MARKET. I'm right there with you in recognizing the utility of a good serrated blade in a variety of circumstances. But it would seem we're in the minority.

Sal Glesser is a business man. He understands that if people aren't buying it he can't afford to continue making it, no matter how loudly a few enthusiasts champion a particular model.

It would be interesting to hear from Sal himself why they don't have a SE fixed blade other than the Aqua in production.

Hey, you could always buy a Moran and attack it with a Dremel tool :D
 
elkins45 said:
You're confusing NEED with MARKET. I'm right there with you in recognizing the utility of a good serrated blade in a variety of circumstances. But it would seem we're in the minority.

Sal Glesser is a business man. He understands that if people aren't buying it he can't afford to continue making it, no matter how loudly a few enthusiasts champion a particular model.

It would be interesting to hear from Sal himself why they don't have a SE fixed blade other than the Aqua in production.

Hey, you could always buy a Moran and attack it with a Dremel tool :D
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Elkins in one sense and looking at it strictly from a business man's standpoint I can agree with what you just stated. And I know that some of these models don't get appreciated until they are discontinued because people tend to think they can get one anytime they want. And it's that kind of thinking that led to the early discontinuation of such great models as the Temp 1, Yojimbo, Dodo, Massad Ayoob, Catcherman and I could go on and name another 20 that fit that description.

Because it wasn't until I had to actually use my SE TEmp 1 in a demanding situation before I appreciated it as highly as I do now.

But even if Spyderco doesn't make certain models available in a certain variant because they fear lackluster sales of a certain model in let's say an SE variation>> it still doesn't add up when you could give the customer the option of special ordering certain models in SE or CE.

How could you lose by doing it that way?. And they could wait until they had at least 50 or 100 people let's say want a TEmp 2 in SE and do them all in one big batch. I don't see how they could lose anything that way.

I never imagined how good that Temp 1 in SE was until I did some really demanding jobs with it. An outdoor fixed Blade Spyder in SE is truly a super workhorse of a knife. I bet several people would pay extra money to have certain models done in SE. Especially some of the great fixed blades. Even the Moran in SE would be great in SE.
 
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