Recommendation? Should I do a bunch of the same style of knife?

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I like to do one offs and try new things as I am just a hobbyist maker.

I like what I produce and I give a fair amount of knives away. I wouldn't mind recouping some costs at this point to make this a self sustaining hobby.

Is there any wisdom in doing a "run" of several of the same style knives? With muscle memory or something get better at them more rapidly.

Or make 2 at a time, keep one and sell one.

Any merit to that thought process?
 
Hi, Making more than one, makes them faster; maybe not as much fun as new stuff, but faster. Can you sell them? Good designs, sell them selves, if they are made well.
If you are going to make runs of the same blade take the time to make fixtures, if possible, to help the process go faster.
I know people that live in areas of the country where there is a need for a specific style of knife. Clam knife, castrating knife, skinning knife, fish knife.
All good sellers.
If you have the luxury of being a hobbyist maker; take every advantage of this and make exactly what you dream of. These are the most exciting years of a makers career; the early years when they are dreaming about knives.

Enjoy what you do, Fred
 
I almost always do at least 2 of any knife I'm making because:
1. If I screw up, I have a backup
2. I have another one if someone sees it and "wants one like that" ( happens all the time)
3. To gauge my consistency and skill at execution.
That is good planning for sure.
 
I vote with Mr. McGovern for the exact same reasons. I just had a request today to provide one that the guy wanted similar to the finished version, a long hidden tang pig spear w/harpoon affair, but with his personal elk antler as the handle... I had two unfinished to choose from.

Also, if I think of a design refinement or variation in the middle of a grind I can try it on the next one. The most I've made in a row so far is 4, then I get to where I want to move on to something new.
 
I almost always do at least 2 of any knife I'm making because:
1. If I screw up, I have a backup
2. I have another one if someone sees it and "wants one like that" ( happens all the time)
3. To gauge my consistency and skill at execution.

Oh heck yeah, especially #'s 1&2 (and I've got #4 too). On #1: it takes just a tiny distraction to, e.g., have the blade take a dive between the platen and table, and whammo, in 1/2 a second you've just irreversibly gouged a blade that was cut-out, beveled, drilled, heat-treated, and well into the hard-grind. It is SO much more agonizing to go back to square zero than to've spent the slight extra time bringing up twins.

On #2: I have never yet not wanted (pardon the double neg) an extra. Either for the next customer, or to have a "showroom floor model". (Or both - if I have the "floor model" that often leads to an "I want it" - and then I'm out of that, again.) The other nice thing is that I find that a screw-up that I wouldn't sell can actually be just a great show piece - this has happened a few times when, e.g., I've overheated a blade too late in the process to re-HT. It's even kind of an advantage in that I can't sell it, so I'll always have it to show. Same deal with a nicked spine: not sellable but fine to show as an example (and even use it to emphasize your high standards! :))

#4: Making 2 or more in parallel is (a) MUCH cheaper + faster than making 1-and-then-1 - AND (b) you get an "economy-of-skill". By which I mean: it often takes me a few minutes of grinding bevels before I get back in the flow of it, or maybe it's been a week or more since I've brazed on a brass bolster (my personal top "improvement-opportunity" :-)) If I'm doing 2 or 3, odds are I'm sliding back into a good groove as I go, and that mistakes get used up on the first one.

Also, on just raw economy: my steel in bulk (521, 1084, 1080+/80CrV2) is maybe $8-12 per blade, and I'm talking good-sized 210-240mm chef gyutos. Compared to my time and effort, and the sale price, that's down there with the cost of my belts, really. And lots of the steps - like setting up for drilling, or doing the HT heat/quench/temper - are barely more to do 2 (or 3 or 4) than for 1. Brazing brass bolsters is especially good to do multiples of; so is cutting & stabilizing scales, or just cutting blade blanks.

I've started to cut and drill 4 of nearly everything and at least have them in the drawer if not take them through at least a few of the next steps. That way if I have an "OH, ****!" moment, the blow is cushioned knowing I've got a backup or 2 already part-way there. Makes it a LOT easier to decide to scrap the screwup and back up -- which is often something I should choose sooner than I actually do. (and we've all been there!!!!!)
 
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I find making the same knife several times over to be one of the best ways to learn overall execution of a certain style. I don't limit myself to trying to reproduce the EXACT same knife, but let the style evolve. A bit less belly, a bit more swell in the handle. The last knife may end up quite a bit different from the first but it has become your style. That's my favorite part of this hobby.
 
+1 for all of the above. One more thing that I have found about batching is that I am better able to use my belts. A lot of belts will profile forever, especially if they started to glaze from finish grinding. I'M getting more out of my belts lately while using newer and sharper belts for the area where it really matters.
 
+1 for all of the above. One more thing that I have found about batching is that I am better able to use my belts. A lot of belts will profile forever, especially if they started to glaze from finish grinding. I'M getting more out of my belts lately while using newer and sharper belts for the area where it really matters.
Don't forget less belt changes!
 
+1 for all of the above. One more thing that I have found about batching is that I am better able to use my belts. A lot of belts will profile forever, especially if they started to glaze from finish grinding. I'M getting more out of my belts lately while using newer and sharper belts for the area where it really matters.

+1 hugely. Just about the most helpful advice I've seen, over and over, is the idea "use belts as if they were free". I'd add to that one of those diagnostic flowchart diagrams, that looks like (A) "Are you having problems?" leading to (B) "Are you using a belt grinder?" where Yes leads to (C) "Put on a fresh belt, dummy."
 
I just figured this out this weekend trying to use up the remainder of the 1084 I have on hand. Making 7 knives at one time. It's going rather quick even though there are a few patterns, they are all full flat grinds. My grinding on the bevels is the best it's been and went with more ease than any other time. I've definitely learned a lot this go around, my grinding skill has major improvement and will continue to do small batches from here out. If you need to gain experience on the grinder I definitely recommend it.

My issue has been once I grind a blade I'm just getting the hang of it about the time the blade is done. This time around as I did each blade it went quicker and better than the last and so far (knock on wood) they all are issue free. They are all up to 120 grit at this point, but all of the blades I've messed up happen coming up to this point. I did not have to chase one grind on any of these.

Edit: The is an 8th (far right) I was previously making I did as a single and it has issues I need to fix.IMG_2496.JPG
 
I batch them for heat treatment at least. I find that I am making big jumps with each batch. So much so that as I finish older blades they feel pretty boring and some are being revised into something other than what was planned.
 
I always work in batches, usually pretty large with sixty being a pretty normal average. When I'm grinding the blades prior to ht I will always do them by type or model. That is, all my Buckaroo and Cowboys, (same profile just different steel) at the same time. All my Gordos and Stainless Gordos etc. I definitely find a "flow" doing it this way. I do all my flat grinds first and then do all the hollow grinds.

I definitely find that working in batches works for me. I see savings in about everything but especially time.
 
I'm a hobby guy as well.
I think it's good to do a few of the same knives at one time for the reasons mentioned here.
I used to do batches of 30 or so knives (not all the same profile) to send to Peter's HT to make it economical. I found that it felt like working in a factory doing all the cutting, drilling, profiling and beveling at once. Now that I'm heat treating knives myself I love doing one at a time. I think everyone is wired differently, some might like the batch method. Also if someone is making a living making knives and they have a few popular designs it makes sense to do batches.
 
I did mostly pairs and one set of four last year. For me pairs is usually nice. I can get into the groove of a process without feeling like a robot.
Recently I started a puukko and am only making one. I miraculously got the grind to come out really nice and was glad I didn't have a second one to possibly screw up...
 
I'm a hobby guy as well.
I think it's good to do a few of the same knives at one time for the reasons mentioned here.
I used to do batches of 30 or so knives (not all the same profile) to send to Peter's HT to make it economical. I found that it felt like working in a factory doing all the cutting, drilling, profiling and beveling at once. Now that I'm heat treating knives myself I love doing one at a time. I think everyone is wired differently, some might like the batch method. Also if someone is making a living making knives and they have a few popular designs it makes sense to do batches.

I felt the same way. I like doing one offs.
I tried a couple batches and got bored very fast. It actually slowed my production down because I too felt like a factory.

I see other guys do it and I am impressed, it’s just not me, not right now anyway.
 
How does BladeForums know what I'm thinking? I think about something and WHAM it pops right up. I just finished my first lock back folder and I'm very happy with it. I have been trying to psych myself up to do it over 6 times so the whole process is well set in my mind. I don't like doing the same thing over and over so i've been stalling around. The idea of doing it in batches has been on my mind and here we are discussing it on the Forum. I will do two "batches" of three and see how that works for me. Can't imagine doing a batch of 60 like Dave Ferry but maybe the world will beat a path to my door. Frankly, if I were up to batches of 60 I believe I would have an apprentice working away. You got a young fella in your shop Dave?
 
Nope, no young fellas, young gals RedFury RedFury .

My daughter is 21 and she helps quite a bit.

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Fact she'll be up today, she's a college student and lives about an hour away. She'll come work when she needs a little extra cash. She's got a job down the hill but sometimes can't get enough hours, so she'll come work for me. We've got a batch of 105 that she's cut out, profiled and is now drilling holes in prior to me grinding the blades before they go off to Peters.

Dani the Huntress helps a lot too.

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She's a couple of years younger than my daughter. They played Bball together, all through school and on a travel team too. Both gals are absolute whizzes with my Portaband/Swag table set up. Interestingly Dani has been doing some of our photography too. Besides the pic/selfie above she took with the turkey, she took this one of her twin sister Alex modeling one of our Sandwashed Silk Wildrags (scarves) that we make too.

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My daughter in law helps quite a bit too. Although pretty good with the bandsaw, she prefers the leather side of the shop, which is great as there is always work going on there too.

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My son is a working cowboy so they move around a bit. But when he's working on ranches around here, Katy is great help too!
 
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