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I got a letter the other day with an offer for a "semester-break" job. Called the number today and got an interview scheduled for 1900 tonight. It's for Vector (corp? inc? doesn't say), and the lady I talked to said I'd be doing stuff for Cutco, which is high-quality kitchen knives and such. Well, I googled Cutco this morning, and found this site: http://www.geocities.com/cutcocomplaints/cutco_vector_alcas.html Reading this is making me really leery of following this interview through. I don't lie to people to sell ****, and I think I'm way too informed about knives to be able to sell theirs. Has anyone heard about this, had experience with Cutco, or just have some input for me? I can call and cancel the interview this afternoon, which I'm seriously considering. What should I do, folks?

Ash
 
They are over-hyped and way over-priced. They will make you buy a demo set for over a thousand dollars. I would avoid it like the plague.
 
Vector marketing is a scam-my friend noah worked for them. Anyone who won't tell you what it is they do over the phone is hiding something.--Joe
 
Do a search on "Cutco" on this forum.

I know a few people who "worked" for Cutco. Here is a short summary of what to expect. There is no interview. The so-called interview is a sales pitch to get you to join. Everyone is accepted. You will go through unpaid training and become an independent distributor. You will not be an employed by them. They will call you up and harass you if you don't come to the office every day. It combines the worst aspects of a job and an MLM. You are much better off getting a regular job or even joining an MLM (not that I really reccommend joining one.;) )

It would be fun, however, to show up for thier sales pitch and the first day of training and bring some good knives to compare theirs to.:D

I guess we should be glad they don't make guns. I can imagine a Shootco sales pitch: "Our Shootco guns fire the .380, which is the most powerful cartridge money can buy. We also feature a 15 lb trigger pull with lots of creep, the exact type of trigger experts prefer.";)
 
Don't do it! My fiancee's little brother did the Cutco thing and didn't sell one damn knife. Especially not to me!
Matt
 
I love the website Mr. Asha'man refers to. Basically, the creator of that site got upset trying to sell Cutco knives, so now he's hooked up with a new outfit that sells call-action lawsuits.
:D
 
This is why I love BFC. :D I read that other thread (thanks Murnax) and followed most of the links on my site that I found (some were dead, but some others were to here:D) and I am definitely scared of this place. It would almost be fun to go in for the interview and just screw with them, counter all their pitches and stuff, but I don't have the time, precise knowledge or acting ability to do that. ;) I'm outta there before I even started. Thanks guys,

Ash
 
Simulposts with Gollnick. :) Yeah, I noticed that, too....seems a bit odd. But the facts on that site are credible enough, and the number of disgruntled former employees is so great, that I'm gonna trust her (Kay Bible) and cancel the interview.

Ash
 
Don't do it!!! It's a scam. I had a friend who did it and he had to buy his own demo knives which came out to be pretty expensive. It's hard work, and its very hard to sell. My advice= don't do it
 
well, we had a cutco guy come here... he didn't like me.

I brought out my henkels and spydies... "gee, your's take 3 strokes? I've been using this edge for 3 months... *single slice on hemp rope* guess mine(spydie endura in se/ats-55) must be dull"
 
DO NOT DO IT! After high school I got a letter saying there was a great opportunity in sales, the name of the company was not listed as Cutco in the letter, I only found out it was Cutco once I got to the interview. When I got there they asked me to pay a thousand dollars for the demo set and go sell it without a base pay. It's a rip-off.
 
Originally posted by Gollnick
I love the website Mr. Asha'man refers to. Basically, the creator of that site got upset trying to sell Cutco knives, so now he's hooked up with a new outfit that sells call-action lawsuits.
:D
What are you talking about? The site Mr. Asha'man refers to is not hooked up with an outfit that sells call-action lawsuits. The site links to bigclassaction.com because the creator is hoping many people will file complaints there and a class action lawsuit will get started against Vector. It also links to the FTC website hoping people will file complaints there, I suppose the creator of the website is also hooked up with the FTC too.
http://www.marketingcritic.info links to bigclassaction.com as well.
An interesting note is that the creator of the site also used to work for Mary Kay as well and finds Vector to be much more scamful. I don't know if the creator got upset selling Cutco knives, but she definately got upset over the all the misleading and deceptive misinformation she was told.
 
Have you looked at that bigclassaction.com site?

Basically, it's a bunch of lawyers trawling for business. If one of their lawyers thinks your complaint has potential, then they instruct you on how to set up a website such as the Cutco one and try to attract others to your case. Of course, if you attract enough people, then the lawyers will work on the case.

Think about it: Cutco sells you a brief lesson in how to sell, they sell you a sales kit, and then they send you out on your own to try and sell their product. And if you do sell any, Cutco will fill the orders for you. But Cutco's investment in you is minimal. If you fail, it's very little skin off their teeth. If you turn out to be a huge success, Cutco profits from the footwork (literally) that you do. Cutco gets all the upside with very, very little downside risk. You do the hard work, you take all the risks, and they reap the profits.

bigclassaction.com gives you a brief lesson in class action lawsuits. They give you a cursory evaluation of your potential case, and then they send you out on your own to try and sell your case to others. If you do sell it, bigclassaction.com's lawyers take the case and persue it for you. But bigclassaction.com's investment in you and your case is minimal. If you fail, it's very little skin off their teeth. If you can attract a huge interest, bigclassaction.com profits from the footwork (literally) that you do. bigclassaction.com gets all the upside with very, very little downside risk. You do the hard work, you take all the risks, and they reap the profits.



There's a certain class of people who are just gamblers. It's in there DNA. They can loose a thousand dollars today and tomorrow they're at the casino again.

Apparently, there's also a certain class of people who are junkies for these schemes underwhich they go out and work their tails off so that someone else can reap the profits. Be it Cutco, Mary Kay, Amway, or bigclassaction.com.
 
Never heard of them.I did get a free pearing knife at K Mart today by listening to a guy give a sales pitch on the crapy things.A older man and myself kind of made him mad by talking about knife steels and the crap steel that was in these knives while he was talking.We had a good laugh after it was over.He did still give us the POS pearing knife though,I will put it in the kichen for my wife to destroy.
 
Originally posted by Gollnick
If one of their lawyers thinks your complaint has potential, then they instruct you on how to set up a website such as the Cutco one and try to attract others to your case. Of course, if you attract enough people, then the lawyers will work on the case.

bigclassaction.com gives you a brief lesson in class action lawsuits. They give you a cursory evaluation of your potential case, and then they send you out on your own to try and sell your case to others. If you do sell it, bigclassaction.com's lawyers take the case and persue it for you. But bigclassaction.com's investment in you and your case is minimal. If you fail, it's very little skin off their teeth. If you can attract a huge interest, bigclassaction.com profits from the footwork (literally) that you do. bigclassaction.com gets all the upside with very, very little downside risk. You do the hard work, you take all the risks, and they reap the profits.
At bigclassaction.com you are not sent on your own to sell your case as you said, you send them a complaint and they send it to lawyers who subscribe to bigclassaction.com then the lawyers decide whether or not they want to take the case. The site is just a tool for lawyers who want to recieve complaints so they can generate cases and for people are are interested in forming or joining class action lawsuits so they can have their complaints sent to lawyers. This is pretty obvious just from visiting the site, which from the looks of it you never did.

bigclassaction.com will not lie, cheat, decieve, or manipulate you like Vector will. They tell you right upfront what they are and what they do. They don't go putsying around with things like "customer service/sales position in housewares and sporting goods with no telemarketing or door to door sales" telling you "positions are filling up fast but I can squeeze you in for an interview at such and such time" scheduling a weeks worth of inquiries for a sales pitch on a job at that certain time making it look like the place always has that many people coming in for jobs and telling them "there's just a few positions available." Then after making you play dress-up, boasting vaguely about the job for some time, having you watch videos, and sitting through a sales pitch demonstration they finally let you know you sell knives. Of course the parts about being an independent contractor with no employee rights or benefits, buying or putting a deposit on a demonstration set, soliciting your appts over the phone, and starting with your friends and family all come later once they've buttered you up even more. Then there's all the deceptive misinformation they give about their company and products like the Henckels ad showing an 18 pc set of Henckels 5 star for over a grand when you can buy 18 pc sets at cooking.com for less than $500:
http://www.geocities.com/cutcocomplaints/henckelsad.html
and a training manual saying Henckels 5 Star is made out of 420A steel and only one type of edge:
http://www.geocities.com/cutcocomplaints/training1.html
or saying they give out $170,000 in scholarships:
http://www.vectorscholarships.com/
when $120,000 of it are not even real scholarships but instead are just donations to their rep's schools without paying their tuition, room and board, or benefitting them financially at all so Vector can get some goodwill with the school while they still call it a scholarship during recruiting:
http://www.vectorscholarships.com/regional-program.htm
and of the remaining actual real scholarships only 100 of their reps get while in 2002 they claimed 40,000 recruits just that summer (one quarter of one percent) in 500 offices (1 person per 5 offices) which only 3 or 4 got the maximum amount of $1000 while 60 of them only get $250 ($100 more than they put down for the knives)- of course they don't tell you these things in training, they just boast about endless scholarship opportunities.

I have experience with both businesses having worked for Vector myself and having sent a complaint to bigclassaction.com and in my opinion Vector Marketing and bigclassaction.com are not even in the same league when it comes to shady and scamful business practices just like in that site creator's opinion Vector Marketing and Mary Kay are not in the same league when it comes to deceptive and deceitful business practices.

p.s. Where on earth did you get the idea bigclassaction.com instructs you to set up a site like the Cutco one? They never instructed me to do that and in fact I know they never instructed the creator of the site Ash linked to to set up that site because she put up the site before she ever heard of bigclassaction.com, here's an archive of the site in 2002 before bigclassaction.com was even linked to:
http://web.archive.org/web/20021201...s.com/cutcocomplaints/cutco_vector_alcas.html
 
Also, in case anybody had any doubts about whether Cutco and Vector Marketing is a scam take a look at some of these articles:
Cornell University Daily Sun's "Cutco Knife Distributor Finds Protests Close at Hand":
http://www.cornelldailysun.com/articles/9671/
Georgia State University Signal's "How Vector Marketing ruined my life":
http://www.gsusignal.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/09/23/3f6f96d8c8ebf?template=pda
University of Illinois at Chicago student newspaper's "Vector snags students: Company's marketing accused of deceiving college students":
http://www.uictoday.net/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/09/12/3f62190fd95d0?template=pda
 
"Cutco" has been running their little scam for years. In 1969, they were advertising "Student Sales Opportunities!" at Ohio State. Same pitch -- same knives -- same (GASP!) prices.
 
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