Sit-On-Top Kayaks

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Looking for suggestions for sit-on-top kayaks for me and my 13 year old daughter. I used to own a Scupper Pro and loved it. Unfortunately I had to sell it a few years ago. They would be used to mainly paddle back bays, inlets, around salt bogs, etc. I would like to try my hand at kayak fishing, but that would be secondary to day touring-like activities. Any suggestions? I got to paddle a bit in an OK Prowler Trident 15 this weekend and it seemed pretty similar (maybe a little slower and more likely to weathercock) to my good ol' Scupper. Curious how well the setup does for fishing.
 
I have a Redfish10 from Heritage and absolutely love it.
http://www.heritagekayaks.com/redfish10.htm
My uses are the same as yours. No whitewater though I'm sure it would do it. They make it in 12' and 14' lengths as well as configured for fishing in their Redfish Angler model. Out of the couple of brands that the local store had, the Heritage had the nicest seat and it was $100 less.
 
Wow, that and the Wilderness Systems Tarpon could be twins. I can't keep up with who took over who last year, and who is making what now...

I like the Native Watercraft Manta Ray, which also has some similarities to the Tarpon, but better features, IMO. I rented a Tarpon 120, but ended up buying a Manta Ray 11. Might should have bought the 12, but figured the 11 was lighter, can be transported in my truck without having to use a rack, and would be easier to control in whitewater(though class III is definitely my limit). Both companies make a 14-footer. Check out the seats on the 2010 Manta Rays.
 
don't want to hijack the thread, but out of curiosity what is the primary advantage of a sit on top kayak? wouldn't that raise the center of gravity and make it even harder to stay upright? is it just a safety thing because they are easier to get out of in case you get stuck upside down?
 
don't want to hijack the thread, but out of curiosity what is the primary advantage of a sit on top kayak? wouldn't that raise the center of gravity and make it even harder to stay upright? is it just a safety thing because they are easier to get out of in case you get stuck upside down?

The hull profile is quite different than sit-ins and they're actually usually alot more stable. But in general, they can be slower than sit-ins since comparable models are usually wider and have more of a wetted waterline. Most are stable enough that if you do get thrown, you can pull yourself in without flipping the yak. If working properly, the interior is one big floatation bag and any water that comes over the bow gets drained through scuppers (although a lot of models can be a pretty wet ride). What's nice about them is if you want to go for a swim, you can just jump right out in the middle of your trip, also they don't get hot like a sit-in in the summer. Alot of people use them for fishing, crabbing, diving, etc. And since self-rescue is easier than a sit-in, they're better for family paddles.
 
I had a Malibu Extreme for three years, and found it was quite suited for fishing. Rated at 600 pounds, and inside had that foam coat so (theoretically) if it filled with water, it'd still float. I used it on flat water, and off the coast, seemed pretty stable to me, lots of room. Isee that some of the newer Malibu's have a 45 degree hatch in the back, which would have been good for that extra oar and miscellaneous crap I carried around, but the front hatch was huge so I went there instead. Recommend the 'Gator Hatch', gives additional tie down capabilities for smaller stuff you don't want rolling around.
Check out kayak fishing sites (there's a bunch, depending on your fishing preference)
 
Are you looking at tandems so both of you are in the same kayak?

If at all possible, take the opportunity to paddle the kayak you're considering. My first SOT purchased was not the one I had picked based on internet reviews. The switch was made all because the dealer had a lake out the back door where customers are allowed to try out their selection.

There is, also, a forum for kayak fishing in New York that should prove very helpful regarding SOT's.
 
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I ended up with the Wilderness Ride 135, and on the farm ponds and small midwestern lakes, mine is great for fishing. Lots of room, very stable, and it can carry a substantial payload.

The downside is that it's slow and heavy, clocking in around 70 pounds.

Another upside is that, if you're careful, you can stand up and pee over the side.........
 
My first was the Ocean Kayak Trident 11. Most of my fishing at that time was in a large pond. The maneuverability and stability were great and perfect for getting in between trees, etc.

Then came the OK Trident 13.

. . . then the OK Big Game.

. . . then another OK Big Game.

It's addicting!
 
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Hi wintermute

Quickly scanned through the thread and all the comments has some great kayaks that you can look at. In my research for kayaks, I found that the Malibu and Ocean Kayaks are very popular kayaks.

It all depends if you are looking for a sit on or sit in kayak. Rent a few kayaks to get a feel for the different types of kayaks and take your daughter with you as well. The best bet would be looking for demo days by kayak shops. At demo days you will not need to pay a buck to test paddle a few kayaks and b able to ask a few questions and who knows, get a very good deal on certain yaks. Reviews are also great as they will help you decide which kayaks you want to test.

Happy hunting.
 
Went to another shop a few weekends ago that carries Wilderness Systems Tarpons. My daughter sat in one in their shop and it instantly burned the teenage angst away. She was really excited. Unfortunately we didn't have any time for a paddle and the last two weekends we did, but the angst was too thick to cut through. Those new Tarpons seem extremely well made and thought out. I can't wait to get one on the water. my only fear is getting them on the car top after a paddle (the 14 foot one is 70 pounds!)
 
As a female (5'2", 112lb) and a newbie to kayaking. I have paddled an Ocean Kayak rental, a Necky Spike (12ft) and Necky Elaho (17ft). We picked up the Neckys off Craig's List. Great kayaks at a great price, especially since they are our first kayaks.

Personally, I love the Necky Elaho. My boyfriend is a stronger paddler than I and the Necky Elaho allows me to keep up with him, and at times, he has to keep up with me (don't let him see this post - LOL). :)

The Elaho has an optional rudder system so it is easier to maneuver and keep on the straight and narrow. Due to the length of the Elaho, it is a bit more difficult (for me) to make tight turns.

I also find the Elaho to be much more stable than the Spike and I have paddled it in lakes, rivers, lagoons, and open water. Even with some heavy chop, I was able to maintain direction, speed, and stability.

Good luck and happy kayaking!!! :)
 
As a female (5'2", 112lb) and a newbie to kayaking. I have paddled an Ocean Kayak rental, a Necky Spike (12ft) and Necky Elaho (17ft). We picked up the Neckys off Craig's List. Great kayaks at a great price, especially since they are our first kayaks.

Personally, I love the Necky Elaho. My boyfriend is a stronger paddler than I and the Necky Elaho allows me to keep up with him, and at times, he has to keep up with me (don't let him see this post - LOL). :)

The Elaho has an optional rudder system so it is easier to maneuver and keep on the straight and narrow. Due to the length of the Elaho, it is a bit more difficult (for me) to make tight turns.

I also find the Elaho to be much more stable than the Spike and I have paddled it in lakes, rivers, lagoons, and open water. Even with some heavy chop, I was able to maintain direction, speed, and stability.

Good luck and happy kayaking!!! :)

As my esteemed girlfriend (Who's new to Blade Forums and knives in general...give her a warm welcome!) has said, I love the Necky Spike. An absolutely amazing jack of all trades kayak that is great in surf, lagoons, rivers, pretty much anywhere but offshore. It's deck is flat, which allows for tons of attachments and cargo carriage, and the entire body is hollow, allowing for even more internal storage. It is not designed for heavy yakkers, but it is a fantastic yak that receives glowing reviews from most all who paddle it. Check around, and I'm sure you'll find this to be true.

Good yak companies are Wilderness Systems, Necky, and Current, among others, but I find these to be the three most consistent good performers in the rotomolded (and often composite) categories. I suggest hoping on a paddling forum and asking around to see popular options.

If I were to give a piece of advice, it would be to stay away from yaks like Ocean Kayak and most Pelican Kayaks and the like. They are typically of lower quality and don't paddle very well unless you're really on a tight budget. The problem with Ocean Kayaks and others similarly shaped, is that they are very slow, and suffer from a strange stability situation. They have a very high primary stability, i.e. you can practically stand up in it, but suffers from a severe lack of secondary stability. This (without too thorough an explanation) means that if a large wave comes along, and lifts you up, you will be tossed over, due to the shape of your yak's bottom. A kayak, such as the Necky, who appears unstable when you first sit on it, shines incredibly in the waves, as, when a wave comes, and you ride sideways up it's face, your kayak tilts to match the wave's contour, with the chines on its side catching you at the last second, and keeping you from rolling. This also allows a longer kayak to become much more maneuverable. Interestingly, these principles make Ocean Kayaks not very useful in the ocean unless you are in relatively still water. If you're still confused as to what I'm talking about, google the terms primary and secondary kayak stability and you'll find a clearer explanation with diagrams.

http://www.topkayaker.net/Articles/Instruction/HullDesign.htm

The above site will invariably help a ton.

Many outdoor shops have kayak testing days, where they take out several brands and several models in each brand, of their kayaks, and allow people to test them for free. This is highly advantageous, as it allows you to find something comfortable, and get advice from people who know significantly more than you do, in order to find yourself a good fit. A kayak that isn't fun to paddle collects dust, and does not a good investment make.

For Kayak fishing, definitely check out the Wilderness Systems Tarpon line. Great yaks that are beautiful for fishing in the areas you specified.

Whatever you do, enjoy yourself! Yakking rocks, and is an awesome workout, and often encourages you to buy new knives (which of course is awesome too). :D

Any other questions, feel free to ask.

-Ape
 
I had a wilderness systems tarpon 120, then upgraded to a Native manta ray 14 and this year I purchased a Hobie Adventure. I love it and highly recommend Hobie for a sit on top. Some of the Hobie's give you the ability to paddle or use the mirage drive system. This leaves hands free for fishing. http://www.hobiecat.com/kayaking/miragedrive.html

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