Slip-Joints Age Better

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I'm wondering if it's just me, but it seem's to me that slip-joints age better than conventional knives. Modern tactical and one-hand openers don't seem to weather the years as well. Blade and handle wear on a traditional knife with traditional materials smooths out like an old pair of Levi's. Please don't misunderstand me I own some modern knives as well (Sebenza's). It's an observation I have made with many years of constant carry.

I'm looking for your thoughts.

Thanks,
 
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It's not that slip joints actually age better it's that over time as you look at them they just make more sense.
 
For the most part I'd agree with you. Strange that you mentioned Sebenza's though. I think it's one of the few modern designs that ages well.

- Christian
 
I'm wondering if it's just me, but it seem's to me that slip-joints age better than conventional knives. Modern tactical and one-hand openers don't seem to weather the years as well. Blade and handle wear on a traditional knife with traditional materials smooths out like an old pair of Levi's. Please don't misunderstand me I own some modern knives as well (Sebenza's). It's an observation I have made with many years of constant carry.

I'm looking for your thoughts.

Thanks,

Out of curiosity, in what way do modern designs not age well?
Do the joints loosen?
Do the locks fail?

or is it the coop1957 thing of our perceptions and values changing as we age?
 
Yup,to me an aged slip joint,(especially a carbon bladed slip joint)has a more appealing character than a pocket worn modern folder .
This is the only modern folder I have left and there's no denying it is one ugly son of a gun compared to the 20-50 year older Imperial & Schrade.

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If I'm comparing a plastic or metal handled OHO to a natural material handled slip joint, I can see where the stag, wood, or bone would take on a worn but not bad look. Maybe smoothing out with some color change. On the other hand a dinged up plastic or metal handle looks like a dinged up plastic or metal handle. It's more the materials then the knives I think.

Blades are a different story. A worn high polished blade is always going to look horrid when compared to a worn patinated or a worn satin finish blade.
 
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Those old OHOs from the 80s and 90s can't hold a candle to a simple Imperial with worn jigged bone scales. Maybe a nice Al Mar could measure up for that "feel" you get. I go nuts when I see that patina/pocket worn bone combo in the junk shop/flea market/gun show on an old knife. I don't get that feeling when I see old OHOs. Unless I find a great deal, or a pattern I was looking for before my "awakening" to the slipjoint.

The Sebenza and Mnandi designs are about as traditional as I've seen any OHOs, with the exception of some William Henrys. It's not just because of the inlays either. The blade shapes and handle designs are fluid, and I would say that the titanium and frame lock are pretty much what removes it from the actual traditional field. I would really like to see a friction folder or slipjoint from CRK. I have had many CRKs over the years, but only have three now. I picked up one of them in the past 6 or 7 years, and it has weathered very nicely, and looks better with age, like a slipjoint.
 
hmm. I think a nice old carbon steel Puma looks great. I have only one modern flipper and I did disassemble it and bead blast the coating off of the blade. I expect it to age nicely. Is your objection about the scratched coating on the modern blades?
 
When you get right down to the honest answer to that, yes.

When you look at it in the harsh light of day, if you just need to cut something, it's really awfully hard to say the modern one hand folder is not an efficient piece of equipment. It cuts, it's made out of very rugged materials, won't rust or even patina. You can flip out the blade in a hurry one handed, cut and close and pocket the knife in a blink of an eye. The modern one hand folder made out of modern materials like the better stainless steels and G10 or micarta, is a great knife.

But...they are like the Glock. The Glock pistol is a great, great pistol. It's rugged, extremely reliable, very easy to strip down and maintain, and is the perfect defense handgun for a cop or anyone interested in that use of firearms. Karen had one for a few years, and we shot the heck out of it. Once in a great while we had a failure to feed or eject, but it was rare. The Glock is about the best of the modern handguns. But it has the personality of a plastic Mattel toy. We got about as fond of it as one can get about a utility object like a washing machine, or say a toaster. In the end, neither Karen or I could bond with the gun, and it went down the road. But Karen still has the revolver her dad gave her when she was 18.

They say clothes make the man, and that may be true of even inanimate things as well. It's too bad that it does not come down to sheer science, but we humans also have a need for aesthetics. Looks matter to some of us, and feel as well. It's nice to know that in this plastic world of jelly bean look alike cars, and plastic handguns, the few of us that care, can if we want, get something made like it used to be. Nice old style materials that feel good, look good, and age well. Stag, bone, wood, well patined carbon steel, strike some chord in our souls that we respond to. The Glock shot great, but I still prefer an old Smith and Wesson revolver, or Marlin rifle with a real walnut stock, worn blueing, and needs some operator input to function well. Or a pocket knife that ages along with it's owner, and is a pleasure to just pick up in hand, let alone use.

In the end, the modern knife is like modern art, it's all in the eye of the beholder. I guess some artist can dribble paint on a canvas and call it art, but I still like to gaze at the old masters down at the National Gallery Of Art, who could paint a picture so real, that yo would not be surprised if the charter in the painting stepped down to shake your hand. Old pocket knives and revolvers have a look and feel that the modern stuff will never have, and to us, that matters. To others, it doesn't. I get a kick out of using something somebody from the 1880's would be at home with.

Carl.
 
Carl, my father said the Glock and others like it were just boxy guns to him, no design or flair. He preferred the old wheel guns, old lever actions and old double barrells. I thought he was crazy.

Man, I'm pricing wheel guns right now ;).

I do have to say that the Ruger P series pistols, and the 1911 design, have that same overall feel as when I look at an old revolver or lever action at a show, or in my own house. Good feel and look, even though they are a new design. My P85 has aged pretty well too.
 
Out of curiosity, in what way do modern designs not age well?
Do the joints loosen?
Do the locks fail?

or is it the coop1957 thing of our perceptions and values changing as we age?

People keep taking the dang things apart. Just because a knife comes with screw construction doesn't mean they're meant to be taken apart for routine cleaning, cover changes, etc.. How many times have we seen threads from someone asking about avaiability of screws, screw posts, omega springs, etc. after they've taken a knife apart and stripped a screw or lost a part. Good grief - if a guy thinks his knife needs cleaning just stick it under a faucet running hot water and then oil it when done.

But then guys being guys and we should include some gals too, human nature being what it is, if it comes with a screw, well heck we've got to take it apart to see what makes it work.
 
People keep taking the dang things apart. Just because a knife comes with screw construction doesn't mean they're meant to be taken apart for routine cleaning, cover changes, etc.. How many times have we seen threads from someone asking about avaiability of screws, screw posts, omega springs, etc. after they've taken a knife apart and stripped a screw or lost a part. Good grief - if a guy thinks his knife needs cleaning just stick it under a faucet running hot water and then oil it when done.

But then guys being guys and we should include some gals too, human nature being what it is, if it comes with a screw, well heck we've got to take it apart to see what makes it work.

Well said, sir! :thumbup:

-Brett
 
I know what you mean and I agree. I'm also into archery and I find it similiar with bows. I don't know why but for some reason, I compare the traditional knives to traditional bows, and compound bows to tactical knives.
The traditional recurve and longbows seem to be timeless, but a compound bow is considered outdated after only maybe 3 years and just don't seem to look as good, at least to me.
 
They start out looking old, it gives 'em an edge in the ageing process:D:thumbup:
 
I think it really depends on how hard the knife is used. My late father carried several different work knives throughout his lifetime, and very few of them looked too nice after several years, because he used most of them hard. His knives tended to be old Camillus carbon steel slip joints. Probably the one that held up the best was an old Buck 110 with a convex edge.

Lots of people seem to expect modern one-handers to do things they weren't designed for. They are folders, but some people expect them to withstand abuse they wouldn't expect their cars to take. With traditional slip joints, nobody is going to be spine-whacking, sticking them in a vice and hanging weights from their handles, or stabbing them through car doors and steel drums.

Jim
 
I think Coop1957 nailed it fairly well. We carry traditional's today for the same reasons they did 100/years ago, timeless and useful.
 
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