Slipjoint Forum! A small report: SoCal Knife Expo

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I attended the Southern California Knife Expo this weekend and there were several slipjoint makers there. Richard Rogers was there with his lovely wife. He quickly sold out, but I was able to see several of the pieces, albeit from behind a large crowd. There was a very nice medium toothpick with jigged-bone, a checkered ebony gunstock single blade, a two blade gunstock, and an assortment of small, single bladed fruit knives. he had two sowbelly stokmen, but they were immediately sold. Next, there was Bill Ruple. Bill's one of my all time favorite makers. He uses ATS-34 that he heat treats himself and his slip joints, at least in my eyes and handling, have a hard work quality about them (not that other makers can't be used hard as well) andhave superb fit and finish. I have one of his stockman models and have seen his trappers, but at the show he had three absolutely awesome split-back wharncliffe whittlers. The one that caught my eye had brown jigged bone. Rick Browne from Upland, CA was there and had an aweosme 5 blade stockman. The funny part was that I never got to meet him, but the knives were displayed on his table and it seemed that on the Fri and Sunday that I was at the show, there was nobody manning his table but the knives were disappearing. In fact, on Sunday afternoon, the only knife left on his table was the 5 blade stockman and his tabled looked like it had been abandoned! Michael Vagnino, another liner lock maker, fixed blade makker and smith, had a nive singleblade slipjoint. Chales Weiss, whom I think makes some pretty awesome bowies, had a few cases with a lot of slip joints in them. I don't know if they were made by him or is they were for sale. Lastly, Michael Fong, a fine linerlock maker, had a two blade trapper on his table. Very nice. It was a pretty good show this year. There was also an assortment of sellers and collectors displaying vintage slip-joints and Case collections.

Should we have a slip-joint forum? I think so. They are a very special genre of knives and deserve some discussion. The handmades do overlap with the custom forum in someways and are often discussed in that forum. I think people that admire handmade knives can definitely appreciate the workmanship and skill that goes into making a multiblade slip joint. Oh, yeah. Richard Rogers had an awesome knife at the show. He called it a bolster-release. The blade is opended with a thumbstud and closed by pushing on the bolster that lifts the locking mechanism. It was slick! Also, there was a purveyor that had a Richard Rogers "tactical" slip lockback with a chisel-ground tanto! Can you believe it?
 
You sir, are killing me!!!! There will be no discussion of custom wharncliffe whittlers, without a very large photograph.... and a review sample. :D ;)

I'd be wearing stilts to see over the Rogers crowd!!! :eek:
 
Buzzbait,

I should have brought a camera to take those pics. Bill Ruple's knives were stunning. He even had this damascus framed stockman. Think there is a scan in the gallery forum. I really like Bill's knives because they are stout, with thick blades and just a joy to cut with. Oh yeah, there was a minuature display that had the Richard Rogers minuature horseman's knife, as well as many other minuatures.......................man, the price of admission was worth it just to see those!
 
SOMEBODY CALL 911!! The post about all of those beautiful
slipjoint is gonna give me the big one!!!

And they say slipjoint's aren't interesting.........

Hmmmmmmm. ...wonder why none of the one hand wonder knife
companies don't offer slipjoints. ......to hard to make maybe.......
 
Yes there should be a "Slipjoint Forum ! Here it is 18 years later so crank up a Forum. Interesting discussion by young "Blade HQ" guys on reasons to possibly carry a Slipjoint. My comments to them.
"Ha,Ha, Ha nice to hear "WOKE" guys "considering" slip joints for EDC ! Multi-blade knives give you more options for use, dummies, like carrying 2,3,or 4 knives in a compact package, gee, who knew, ha,ha,ha. Multiple blades come in handy skinning out animals also. What about old school carbon steel easy to sharpen fellows? Look at vintage pocket knives on Ebay, most have been sharpened many times and they are hardly worn. Lordy I have used and lost a ton of them, ha. Also it is fun to change out your EDC every day or so. Re-live yesteryear and buy a few Vintage Slip Joints, they are super cool !"
 
Yes there should be a "Slipjoint Forum ! Here it is 18 years later so crank up a Forum. Interesting discussion by young "Blade HQ" guys on reasons to possibly carry a Slipjoint. My comments to them.
"Ha,Ha, Ha nice to hear "WOKE" guys "considering" slip joints for EDC ! Multi-blade knives give you more options for use, dummies, like carrying 2,3,or 4 knives in a compact package, gee, who knew, ha,ha,ha. Multiple blades come in handy skinning out animals also. What about old school carbon steel easy to sharpen fellows? Look at vintage pocket knives on Ebay, most have been sharpened many times and they are hardly worn. Lordy I have used and lost a ton of them, ha. Also it is fun to change out your EDC every day or so. Re-live yesteryear and buy a few Vintage Slip Joints, they are super cool !"
Ever hear of the porch ?
Maybe you know it as Traditional folders and fixed blades ?
It's a very popular subforum here on BF's , my favorite place to frequent actually.
I'm pretty sure it already existed back in 2010 when you joined.
It may not be specific to just slipjoints, but most of the traditional knives discussed are slipjoints.
 
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Ever hear of the porch ?
Maybe you know it as Traditional folders and fixed blades ?
It's a very popular subforum here on BF's , my favorite place to frequent actually.
I'm pretty sure it already existed back in 2010 when you joined.
It may not be specific to just slipjoints, but most of the traditional knives discussed are slipjoints.

Yes, that forum exists but it seems that modern slipjoint discussion is frown upon. Leave the Traditional folders and fixed blades forum alone for those that can not accept modern slipjoints from makers that are doing a better job (fit and finish) with better materials than their old school Queens, GEC's, Northwoods, Case, etc...

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Yes, that forum exists but it seems that modern slipjoint discussion is frown upon. Leave the Traditional folders and fixed blades forum alone for those that can not accept modern slipjoints from makers that are doing a better job (fit and finish) with better materials than their old school Queens, GEC's, Northwoods, Case, etc...

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I understand the popularity of modern slipjoints which don't have their own home and don't belong in the traditionals subforum, but the multi blade slipjoints mentioned in the post I quoted are the traditional folders that are discussed daily on the porch.

btw better is a subjective word.
These " better " modern slipjoints are perfect for some, but practically useless to me when I prefer my traditional knives for specific reasons.
 
Yes, that forum exists but it seems that modern slipjoint discussion is frown upon. Leave the Traditional folders and fixed blades forum alone for those that can not accept modern slipjoints from makers that are doing a better job (fit and finish) with better materials than their old school Queens, GEC's, Northwoods, Case, etc...

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Modern traditionals are quite welcome there. The big rule is no pocket clips and no thumb studs/disks/etc. Everything as of yet described here fits. Some of our favorites lately are the lionsteel CK-01 series, titanium and m390 knives. The benchmade proper even sees some love. Come try it out for awhile. Just leave the impindas and hinderer with pocket clips at the door lol.
 
Yes there should be a "Slipjoint Forum ! Here it is 18 years later so crank up a Forum. Interesting discussion by young "Blade HQ" guys on reasons to possibly carry a Slipjoint. My comments to them.
"Ha,Ha, Ha nice to hear "WOKE" guys "considering" slip joints for EDC ! Multi-blade knives give you more options for use, dummies, like carrying 2,3,or 4 knives in a compact package, gee, who knew, ha,ha,ha. Multiple blades come in handy skinning out animals also. What about old school carbon steel easy to sharpen fellows? Look at vintage pocket knives on Ebay, most have been sharpened many times and they are hardly worn. Lordy I have used and lost a ton of them, ha. Also it is fun to change out your EDC every day or so. Re-live yesteryear and buy a few Vintage Slip Joints, they are super cool !"
Bless your heart...
 
People here tend to have short memories... Real short, think back to the beginning of 2017... When the Benchmade Proper and Lionsteel Roundhead (and then Shuffler came soon out afterwards), there were calls to end the discussions of those type of knives "cause Traditionals are pinned or don't have clips". It's not that the real "traditionalist" is afraid of different modern steel and different kinds of construction but get too far away from the bible of Traditional design and you're in trouble. I can understand shaping and design philosophy of traditional knives but then again that is also pretty subjective. Modern knife makers are just beginning to understand that the majority of people in everyday life can get by with a slipjoint, whether it is truly "traditional" or a modern interpretation.

From March 8, 2017 under one of the first Benchmade Proper discussions...
Quoting Cory Hess
"Jack, I agree with most of your post. However, I think that you're only looking at half of the picture. I agree that people that show up and post outside the guidelines of this forum are tiresome. However, where we differ is in that I find people that view themselves as inner gatekeepers with a higher standard of what is "really" traditional equally tiresome. We saw this when Mike put out the 77 barlows with the wharncliffe blade. We saw this when Greg put out the Trestle Pine line. We see this in the Lionsteel thread. We're seeing it again here. There is a group of people that throw the rules out the window and declare that a knife is unfit for this subforum or the traditional moniker simply because it's not a knife that they prefer.

I don't see how it's any more respectful to declare that the rules are not strict enough than it is to declare that they're too strict. Too put it more bluntly, I don't see a difference between kamagong declaring his knife with thumbstuds and a clip traditional and you declairing the Benchmade not traditional. They're flip sides of the same coin. You agreed to the same rules as the rest of us, and those rules say that the Benchmade is a traditional."

What it boils down to is if you start a motorcycle club and say that all motorcycles are welcome but no other vehicles are you can't then complain about motorcycles you don't like being in the club. It's easy to vilify the person showing up on a Vespa due to the fact that he's not part of the group. However, the crotchety old man sitting in the corner saying that crotch rockets aren't "real" motorcycles is committing the same sin despite the fact that he's a friend and valued member of the club. I see both behaviors as equally troublesome."

Modern interperations of traditionals should be allowed. How is the Lionsteel Thrill going to be viewed? Kind of a hybrid, but then again the Pena Broncos, JE Mades, CRK and other brands that have pocket clips have nowhere to bring Forum members discussion points.. The Civivi Rustic Gent should be considered a modern twist of a traditional designed lockback, but because it doesn't have the GEC billboarding across the blade I'm hesitant to start a discussion comparing it to the various old school GEC, Buck or Case lockbacks, which then again is not a fair comparison because unlike the traditional brands mentioned, the Civivi doesn't have any blade play and can be taken apart easily for maintenance. I was around in 2017 and I remember some heated discussions/pm's from "concerned" members.

After re-reading the rules I discovered that for all of the knives mentioned above, if I just remove the clip I can talk about the Broncos, Impinda's and JE Mades in the Traditional Folders and Fixed Blade Forums...

"Modern locking mechanisms such as Walker liner locks, pocket clips, holes / studs to allow one hand opening are all out. (Traditional liner locks, such as the lock on a TL29, are in.) Add a clip to a stockman, and it needs to be posted elsewhere. By the same token, if it is traditional except for a clip and you remove the clip, feel free to post it here."

Solve this dilemma and create a separate modern slipjoint forum in the KnifeSpecific Disussion arena! Strange that modern slip joints can be sold in the Sale: Traditionals, Slipjoints, "Old Timey" forum but not allowed to be discussed in the Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades because the title of the forum doesn't even include slipjoints some of which are pinned, have pocket clips, are of a different construction technique, have superior materials and all are fun!
 
"Modern Slipjoints" does tend to be a sore point in the Traditional Forum. (A pity, I rather like them, yet am one of the traditional moderators.)
However, you are quite welcome to start a "modern slipjoint" thread here in General Forum.

Other than that, if you want to discuss a new forum, please start a thread in Tech Support. Please do not resurrect the dead.

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