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Small game and disease....
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Mad cow disease is the ultimate killer with no way to eradicate it from the animal. Because the toxin is actually a protein, even high cooking temperatures will not offer protection.
Recently the disease was discovered in Canada. My understanding is that it can infect not only cows but also deer, moose, and other animals.
Sadly, once the disease infects a human there is no cure. The brain develops "holes" and eventually the victim dies.
I don't mean to sound scary but I believe that within the next few decades this disease will spread and kill millions of people.
Perhaps we may have to depend on fish as a primary source of protein in the human diet.
Recently the disease was discovered in Canada. My understanding is that it can infect not only cows but also deer, moose, and other animals.
Sadly, once the disease infects a human there is no cure. The brain develops "holes" and eventually the victim dies.
I don't mean to sound scary but I believe that within the next few decades this disease will spread and kill millions of people.
Perhaps we may have to depend on fish as a primary source of protein in the human diet.
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The main vector for Bubonic Plague is the fleas that live on the rodents. So if you get to Hoppy the Rat promptly after trapping him, you could meet said fleas. In such a case, you better have access to good antobiotics since the Black Death has a high fatality rate -- even if you're not in the wilderness -- alone -- and is a nasty way to get recycled into nature.
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In the western states one thing to think about is HANTAVIRUSES. It first showed up in Northern Arizona. Heres a fact sheet on it.
What are Hantaviruses?
Hantaviruses are a type of virus found in rodents in different parts of the world. In the U.S., human Hantavirus infections were first identified in the southwest in 1993. In recent years, sporadic cases have been found in several eastern states including New York. Studies have shown that mice are often infected and appear to be the source of infection.
How is the virus transmitted?
The virus is carried by rodents such as mice which are found throughout North America. Infected rodents shed the live virus in saliva, droppings and urine. Humans are infected when they inhale microscopic particles that contain viruses from rodent urine or droppings. Insect bites and pets are not believed to play a role in Hantavirus transmission.
Can people infect each other?
There is no evidence of person to person transmission in the United States. No health care workers have been infected while caring for infected persons.
What are the symptoms?
Typical symptoms include high fever, muscle aches, cough and headache. After several days, respiratory problems worsen rapidly. The lungs may fill with fluid and victims may die of respiratory failure or shock.
How long does it take to develop symptoms after exposure?
Typically two to four weeks, but it may range from a few days up to two months.
Is there any treatment?
There is no specific treatment for Hantavirus. Physicians have been administering ribavarin, an antiviral drug, on an experimental basis to suspected victims.
Is the disease always fatal?
No. Early on, about half of those infected died, but rapid diagnosis and supportive treatment has improved survival.
What is the best way to prevent exposure to Hantavirus?
Avoid contact with rodent droppings or urine. To reduce exposure to Hantavirus around the home, prevent or eliminate rodent infestations. If rodents are in the home, consult an exterminator or your local health department for additional information on rodent removal and control. If snap traps are used to eliminate rodents, the traps should be set in an empty container, such as a milk carton lying on its side, or on newspaper to prevent contact with potentially infectious material. The used trap, box or newspaper and rodent should be thoroughly wet down with a household disinfectant solution (consisting of detergent and 1½ cups of bleach for each gallon of water) and then placed in double plastic bags for disposal. Wash hands with soap and water after completing the cleanup. After eliminating rodents from a building, you should then eliminate the conditions that attract them (improperly stored food sources, rubbish, etc.) . Rodent-proof measures should be applied to prevent rodent entry.
What should be done to clean up after rodent droppings?
Dwellings with large amounts of rodent droppings should first be aired before re-occupying the building. It is important to keep rodent dropping particles from getting into the air where they can be inhaled. The debris should be thoroughly wet down with a household disinfectant solution (consisting of detergent plus 1½ cups of bleach for each gallon of water) to reduce airborne dust. An old spray bottle with a fine mist is ideal for applying the solution. Debris should then be wiped up while wearing gloves and placed in double plastic bags for disposal, together with any cleanup materials such as paper towels, etc. Do not use vacuum cleaners or sweep with brooms, which will create dust in the air. Use of gloves, dust mist masks, long-sleeved clothing and protective eyewear may help prevent personal exposure. Wash hands with soap and water after completing the cleanup.
Where can I get more information?
If you are seriously ill with a high fever, consult a doctor or local emergency room immediately. For general information, call your local or state health department.
In the western states one thing to think about is HANTAVIRUSES. It first showed up in Northern Arizona. Heres a fact sheet on it.
What are Hantaviruses?
Hantaviruses are a type of virus found in rodents in different parts of the world. In the U.S., human Hantavirus infections were first identified in the southwest in 1993. In recent years, sporadic cases have been found in several eastern states including New York. Studies have shown that mice are often infected and appear to be the source of infection.
How is the virus transmitted?
The virus is carried by rodents such as mice which are found throughout North America. Infected rodents shed the live virus in saliva, droppings and urine. Humans are infected when they inhale microscopic particles that contain viruses from rodent urine or droppings. Insect bites and pets are not believed to play a role in Hantavirus transmission.
Can people infect each other?
There is no evidence of person to person transmission in the United States. No health care workers have been infected while caring for infected persons.
What are the symptoms?
Typical symptoms include high fever, muscle aches, cough and headache. After several days, respiratory problems worsen rapidly. The lungs may fill with fluid and victims may die of respiratory failure or shock.
How long does it take to develop symptoms after exposure?
Typically two to four weeks, but it may range from a few days up to two months.
Is there any treatment?
There is no specific treatment for Hantavirus. Physicians have been administering ribavarin, an antiviral drug, on an experimental basis to suspected victims.
Is the disease always fatal?
No. Early on, about half of those infected died, but rapid diagnosis and supportive treatment has improved survival.
What is the best way to prevent exposure to Hantavirus?
Avoid contact with rodent droppings or urine. To reduce exposure to Hantavirus around the home, prevent or eliminate rodent infestations. If rodents are in the home, consult an exterminator or your local health department for additional information on rodent removal and control. If snap traps are used to eliminate rodents, the traps should be set in an empty container, such as a milk carton lying on its side, or on newspaper to prevent contact with potentially infectious material. The used trap, box or newspaper and rodent should be thoroughly wet down with a household disinfectant solution (consisting of detergent and 1½ cups of bleach for each gallon of water) and then placed in double plastic bags for disposal. Wash hands with soap and water after completing the cleanup. After eliminating rodents from a building, you should then eliminate the conditions that attract them (improperly stored food sources, rubbish, etc.) . Rodent-proof measures should be applied to prevent rodent entry.
What should be done to clean up after rodent droppings?
Dwellings with large amounts of rodent droppings should first be aired before re-occupying the building. It is important to keep rodent dropping particles from getting into the air where they can be inhaled. The debris should be thoroughly wet down with a household disinfectant solution (consisting of detergent plus 1½ cups of bleach for each gallon of water) to reduce airborne dust. An old spray bottle with a fine mist is ideal for applying the solution. Debris should then be wiped up while wearing gloves and placed in double plastic bags for disposal, together with any cleanup materials such as paper towels, etc. Do not use vacuum cleaners or sweep with brooms, which will create dust in the air. Use of gloves, dust mist masks, long-sleeved clothing and protective eyewear may help prevent personal exposure. Wash hands with soap and water after completing the cleanup.
Where can I get more information?
If you are seriously ill with a high fever, consult a doctor or local emergency room immediately. For general information, call your local or state health department.
Forget about Rodents; Worry about Beef critters that are fed Rendered Pork/Chicken parts, and vice/versa. This spreads Mad Cow, etc. Don't forget all the Anti-Biotics/Steroids that are pumped into these animals in the name of profit. Fish have high Merc. levels.
I'm thinking about giving up ALL meat and getting my protein from Soy, whole grains, nuts, etc. I'll just miss my Bar-B-Q's, thats all. As it is now, I'm only eating wild game, and this appears risky at best.
I'm thinking about giving up ALL meat and getting my protein from Soy, whole grains, nuts, etc. I'll just miss my Bar-B-Q's, thats all. As it is now, I'm only eating wild game, and this appears risky at best.
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Mad Cow/BSE has recently been found in the US also. Interesting point is they never had a case of it in Italy, but they decided to test their cattle anyway, every single one. Found hundreds of cases. The North American strategy is to ignore it, there are probably hundreds of animals entering the food chain, just no evidence because they are doing their best not to find it. Makes wild game seem like a level risk.
Chronic Wasting disease, which is affects deer is pretty comon and seems to be similar to BSE.
A new case of BSE turned up in Canada the other day, and it never got close to the food chain, but there wasn't any direct infecting source either. Turns out as DD said, you can't easily kill the protein so the infectant can remain attached to cracks in mangers, or exposed rivits or screws for decades. I guess we can wait a few more decades until they deal with that.
I don't trust our meat supply any more and it isn't so much the horror stories as the explanations from the Ag comumity are to the effect that they just don't think about food safety seriously.
By the way, the famous first Canadian BSE case was in a cow initially raised in the US, and was discovered on a US run farm in Alberta.
I haven't gone whole hog for veggies yet there are an equal number of scaries there, but I am hedging my bets a little.
Wild game is not imune, it is being raised these days on crops that are fully exposed to all our craziest influences like unwashed pesticides on crops and GMO crops.
There is nowhere near enough fish, and it is seriouosly expensive right now. I'm eating more of it, from wild often frozen sources, but the oceans are the final dumping groiund so how safe is that?
The problem with food is that the system is based on trust, and the current players are not trusworthy. We are getting ever more food from China. I have no idea what goes on there. The environment is not their main priority.
Chronic Wasting disease, which is affects deer is pretty comon and seems to be similar to BSE.
A new case of BSE turned up in Canada the other day, and it never got close to the food chain, but there wasn't any direct infecting source either. Turns out as DD said, you can't easily kill the protein so the infectant can remain attached to cracks in mangers, or exposed rivits or screws for decades. I guess we can wait a few more decades until they deal with that.
I don't trust our meat supply any more and it isn't so much the horror stories as the explanations from the Ag comumity are to the effect that they just don't think about food safety seriously.
By the way, the famous first Canadian BSE case was in a cow initially raised in the US, and was discovered on a US run farm in Alberta.
I haven't gone whole hog for veggies yet there are an equal number of scaries there, but I am hedging my bets a little.
Wild game is not imune, it is being raised these days on crops that are fully exposed to all our craziest influences like unwashed pesticides on crops and GMO crops.
There is nowhere near enough fish, and it is seriouosly expensive right now. I'm eating more of it, from wild often frozen sources, but the oceans are the final dumping groiund so how safe is that?
The problem with food is that the system is based on trust, and the current players are not trusworthy. We are getting ever more food from China. I have no idea what goes on there. The environment is not their main priority.
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Meanwhile, others (on another BF forum) view voluntary, private efforts to track stock with injected chips as the entering wedge of Big Brother - first the animals and then the people.
If you are determined to see doom, you will surely do so.
Have you heard, Everyone who eats carrots will die.
If you are determined to see doom, you will surely do so.
Have you heard, Everyone who eats carrots will die.
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I used to eat only healthy natural foods.
Then I heard about the hundreds of people dying from natural causes...
My Pop is 97.
Old fashioned breakfasts (eggs or pancakes), cold cuts for lunch and meat, potato & veggie for dinner all his life.
The cold cuts are loaded with preservatives, we all know the eggs will kill you (and heaven forbid having a raw one...I got one a day in a milkshake when I was little and am still here) and meat everday?
I'd worry more about ticks on wild game than them being diseased.
Usually sick critters look sick. I have seen some bad off deer, pidgeons and fish. No way I'd eat them.
I seem to remember something about looking for spots on the liver of rabbits, but don't remember what the sickness was called.
I guess it really boils down to how hungry you are.
I recall a tale of shipwrecked sailors eating seagulls...raw.
They lived
Then I heard about the hundreds of people dying from natural causes...
My Pop is 97.
Old fashioned breakfasts (eggs or pancakes), cold cuts for lunch and meat, potato & veggie for dinner all his life.
The cold cuts are loaded with preservatives, we all know the eggs will kill you (and heaven forbid having a raw one...I got one a day in a milkshake when I was little and am still here) and meat everday?
I'd worry more about ticks on wild game than them being diseased.
Usually sick critters look sick. I have seen some bad off deer, pidgeons and fish. No way I'd eat them.
I seem to remember something about looking for spots on the liver of rabbits, but don't remember what the sickness was called.
I guess it really boils down to how hungry you are.
I recall a tale of shipwrecked sailors eating seagulls...raw.
They lived
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and them dillo's carry lepricy but we usta catch em by the tail when i was younger and i got all my toes and fingers. but sereously i'll eat a deer before a cow but only becouse i feel an obligation for taking it(and damn are they tastey). to get back to what i think may be the point of this poast. Pop quiz hot shot...if your going to die or eat a rat that MIGHT kill you what do yo? what do you do... maby ill eat bugs
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I'll eat anyhing. Some people were designed to live for a long time and others not so much. I only eat healthy because some of my numbers went south. If I was one of those guys who could eat red meat and smoke cigars till he was 100, I'd be all over it.
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Food! Don't get me started! At first they give it to you. "Come on. Just a taste. You'll like it." Then, once you're addicted, they make you pay for it. I wouldn't eat at all if I could get through the withdrawal. It's all my Mom's fault. She's the one that got me hooked before I was old enough to know better.
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digdeep said:
What! Your Internet PC isn't set up at the dinner table?
