Smith and Wesson knife...?

A poor substitute for an Extrema Ratio
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S&W knives are made by Taylor Cutlery in the People's Republic of China. You're not supporting anything by buying a "Homeland Security" knife made in a communist country. They do this with a lot of their knives (Texas Rangers, fire department, S&R, etc). It's a marketing thing.

Politics aside, S&Ws aren't that great a knife. The S&W label is only that - a label. I personally think they're junk, but since you can usually get them for pretty cheap (like $15-20 for one of the folders), it's not a horrible deal. And when it comes to junk, they're better than most, like Maxim or M-Tech. If you want a beater that you won't be upset over if it gets badly damaged or lost, you'll probably get your money's worth.
 
At 1/5th the price of an Extrema Ratio and 440C - seems like a great deal to me.

"You're not supporting anything by buying a "Homeland Security" knife made in a communist country."

There are likely plenty of items in your household made in China right now.
Buying product from Italy doesn't exactly support our country either.
China is all about cheap labor. As tens of millions of illegal immigrants flood our country - with the blessing of Bush - the value of our labor is ever cheaper as well.
 
That's not the point I'm making. My point is that the names S&W's knives, like the "Homeland Security" and "HRT" ones are the result of sleezy exploitive marketing. Unlike Spyderco's WTC D'allara Rescue, for example. The S&W knives like those leave a bad taste in my mouth.

I buy plenty of stuff made in china, taiwan, etc, but when it comes to something supposedly patriotic, it makes no sense to me to buy outsourced products. I'd never, for example, buy an American flag that was made in Borneo. If I'm buying a patriotic knife, I want it American made. Simple as that.
 
I agree, it burns me up to see those cheep knives made in china with the American flag on them. I can not understand how people in the US support things like this, just so they can save a litttle money. John
 
averageguy said:
As tens of millions of illegal immigrants flood our country - with the blessing of Bush - the value of our labor is ever cheaper as well.
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I agree. If only we could go back in time before Bush, when no illegal immigrants ever entered the country. :D
 
You're objecting to the knife because of the marketing? No more inane a term than as it is applied here in the States - where 2000 border patrol agents agree it is a joke. The vast majority of knife names are for marketing purposes.

"If only we could go back in time before Bush, when no illegal immigrants ever entered the country"

True, illegal immigrants have been streaming into our country in overwhelming numbers for two decades now. Bush is the only one who can take action to stop them at this time. Unfortunately he's too busy enhancing corporate profits and bending over for Fox.
 
A name on a knife is just that - a name. Unfortunately most people base their perception from the name and not the product. I have seen many posts here and in other forums where people will talk about the quality of a knife and then you find out later on they never held the knife, the just read the materials in the knife and what the name is.

Name a time when there wasn't illegal immigrants coming into the United States.
 
"Name a time when there wasn't illegal immigrants coming into the United States."

WTF does that mean. Name a time where there wasn't violent crime. I guess we should endorse all illegal acts and bad policies because such activity has occured in the past.
We have likely incurred higher rates of illegal immigration in the previous two decades than we have had legal immigration in any similar period in our nations history.

This post is off topic and I can't think of any way to bring it back except that illegal immigration is the greatest threat to our "Homeland Security" and our way of life.

Here's something on topic. Both Buck and Bear MGC offer tanto full tang fixed blades made in the USA - though slightly shorter blade legnths.
 
Other considerations aside that knife looks like a good beater for the bucks. My concern would be the quality of the 440C and the scale rivets. I hate it when the scales pop off of an otherwise hard use fixed blade:mad: . Thanks for the post--it looks like a good camp knife ;) .
 
averageguy said:
"Name a time when there wasn't illegal immigrants coming into the United States."

WTF does that mean. Name a time where there wasn't violent crime. I guess we should endorse all illegal acts and bad policies because such activity has occured in the past.
We have likely incurred higher rates of illegal immigration in the previous two decades than we have had legal immigration in any similar period in our nations history.

This post is off topic and I can't think of any way to bring it back except that illegal immigration is the greatest threat to our "Homeland Security" and our way of life.

Here's something on topic. Both Buck and Bear MGC offer tanto full tang fixed blades made in the USA - though slightly shorter blade legnths.
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You seem to be a quarrelsome fellow, Averageguy.
 
ishiyumisan said:
someone knows this knife ? can give some info,,,,,,

Smith and Wesson Knives: S&W Homeland Security Knife...

look here
http://www.knivesplus.com/smith-wesson-knife-sw-cksur4g.html

any information about it...

good for do the job ecc...

thank you


plan no useless move, take no step in vain.

ishiyumisan
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I don't know anything about the knife that you are asking about, but I have a pair of the S&W HRT(DR) "bowies", also made with 440C steel, and I can't find ANYTHING wrong with either one of 'em...I feel that they are an excellent value.
 
glockman99 said:
I don't know anything about the knife that you are asking about, but I have a pair of the S&W HRT(DR) "bowies", also made with 440C steel, and I can't find ANYTHING wrong with either one of 'em...I feel that they are an excellent value.
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What you'll find on the forums is a sheep-like herding around certain brands and models that have been deemed good or cool by someone. Brands that are not deemed good or cool are commonly trashed. Some Chinese made knives are considered bad (S&W) while others are considered good (Kershaw, Rough Rider) when, in fact, they are all pretty similar.

I have to say that I hate that the U.S. knife industry has gone to Red China for manufacturing but it has and isn't likely to change until the next cheapest place to make things appears in the marketplace. But that's the case so I guess we have to make the best of it. It might be better to trash knives by the model rather than the brand. As an example, some S&W knives are made in Italy, some in Germany and even a few in the U.S. So trashing the brand as cheap Chinese junk without dealing with individual models is unfair and innacurate, but typical of these forums, particularly from people who probably have no personal experience with the products.

I agree with Dan. As Chinese knives go, the S&W seem to be typical of the breed and a good value. Many Americans would agree since there are more S&W branded knives sold in units than nearly all the "good and cool" knife brands combined. They may not be for you, but if they were bad products they wouldn't sell like they do. I tend to judge products by their return rate. We get very few returns on S&W knives. I'm not a fan of S&W knives and I don't own one personally. I'm just trying to inject some objectivism into the thread.

If you like the S&W knives, then buy them and enjoy them and don't spend any time worrying about what other people like. What you like is more important. Also, when you read a knife "trashing" on the forums, be sure it is written by someone with personal experience who explains a product's faults specifically. Pay no attention to those that trash for the sake of trashing with no reason and no experience. Sorry if this seemed like a rant. I couldn't help myself. Take care.
 
averageguy said:
WTF does that mean. Name a time where there wasn't violent crime. I guess we should endorse all illegal acts and bad policies because such activity has occured in the past.
We have likely incurred higher rates of illegal immigration in the previous two decades than we have had legal immigration in any similar period in our nations history.
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My point exactly. Trying to pin the problem on a single President makes no sense. We have always been weak in regard to our borders. I don't like it, but that is the way it is right now.

As far as the quality of Chinese knives- Most companies buy from a few factories in China or Taiwan. These factories can produce varying grades of knives depending on what the buyer wants.
 
I forgot that some of the HRT knives are designed by Darrel Ralph. I wouldn't have any issue buying one of these.
 
Thank you everybody, I don't know how to start, this knife is for one kid which asks me to buy for him something cool. Is still a kid beginer; he does not know even how to sharpen knife but he will start the survival course in the middle next month. I was inspired by the design of this and also when I was young like him, I was dreaming to have the stuff like this. But I could not.



Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh Let's talk about the politic. S & W is making money by producing this knife in China. So I really want to ask every body if the same model is made in U.S.A, how much it would be ?????
Only pain I have is this, truly people who make real money are just a few guys but American.Despite of this, all the billionaire contract that Americans, European, and Japanese have with China. It's unbelievable. Let's not forget that today in the world wide up to 4/5 are made in CHINA, funny........
The point is last month chinese governmen pass the law of use of force aginst Taiwan. If Taiwan tries to be independent from China, let's say China invades Taiwan I really what Bush gonna do ?
I hope he does not do what he did to Iraq. It means declar war to China for defend interest of USA. In my opnion, it does not matter how many thomahawk missile drop on China. China isn't Iraq, I don't think american soldiers gonna have a walk in the park. funny funny.........


thank you ALL of YOU :D




plan no useless move, take no step in vain.

ishiyumisan
 
Planterz - By Darrel making this move, he was actually able to influence some of the quality control over the knife. If he ahdn't signed on, he's designs probably would have been taken anyway and a crap knife results.

I had read somewhere that labor costs in China are actually starting to go up as their economy starts to roll. If this is true, it won't be too long before you see less stuff coming from there.
 
Most of the problem I have found with S&W is simply poor quality controll. My dad had a S&W black mini swat and it held up for him pretty well. I have also seen dozens of the same model come back to my store with screws missing.
But about their blades, 440C: No way. These aren't even 440B. If it is true that they are what they claim to be, then they have the worst heat treat immaginable. I've taken care of my father's swat and even though it seems to be one of th better ones, it just can't hold an edge.
-KC
 
Knifeclerk said:
...But about their blades, 440C: No way. These aren't even 440B. If it is true that they are what they claim to be, then they have the worst heat treat immaginable. I've taken care of my father's swat and even though it seems to be one of th better ones, it just can't hold an edge.
-KC
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That was exactly my concern and, if so, another $20 or so could get you a blade with proven quality. ;)
 
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