Smoky Mountain R&D Chemical Kit

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I met up with a fellow forumite today, who had a new, and awesome take on fire. Glycerin and Potassium Permanganate in a cool little setup. This is pretty cool.

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The kit contains 10 capsules of PP, 10 waxed jute "nests" and a small bottle of glycerin. Instructions are on the back. Basically, place nest in a safe area, pour PP onto the nest, in the center. Stack tinder around it, put 6-7 drops on the PP and wait. Keep away from children.

Lets get too the FIRE!! I grabbed up some Red Oak that has been outside for the last 3 days in a TORRENTIAL DOWNPOUR. Seriously, 3 days of heavy rain. I used my Fiddleback Hunter to whittle some shavings, and grabbed some of the more damp pieces to place on the pile.

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I set out 1 nest, 1 capsule, and the drip bottle. The nest works well for keeping the PP contained and the wind from blowing it around.

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I piled my shavings on, and set 6 drips right on top of the pile. It kinda turned to gel and sat there. I have never done this before, so, I didn't know what to expect. I hurried to get all my stuff on the pyre. Yeah, the reaction takes about 2 full minutes, so, don't get in a big hurry, you got time to build the whole stack before it goes

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After 2 minutes, there was just a little wisp of smoke, and I thought "Slow burn, cool". Yeah, right.

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From tiny wisp of smoke to blaze up, about 3 sec. The heat was intense. I don't mean like, housefire intense, but this thing was burning a pile the size of a quarter.

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Solid fire starter. I kinda neglected it, 'cause I got a BK Patrol Machete in the mail today (thanks OwenM, I owes ya) and ran off to chop stuff. When I got back the damp wood was burning and all the wood shavings were tiny coals, easy to bring a fire to life from that.

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Knif Pron, my new 'chete.
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All things said, for $8 this little kit is pure genius. We talk about ferros and misch, and granted, this is more Science than Bushcraft, but if you are cold and your hands aren't working well enough to process wood for a "rustic" fire, this will get it going with minimal effort. I plan on putting this in a tin with some fatwood twigs and put it in BOB. This an easy, cool and novel way of getting a fire going. The method has been around for years, but now, Smoky Mountain R&D has made it quick, easy, and compact. You can't find'em on the web, so don't Goggle it, if you're interested, PM or email me, and I'll hook you up with 'em. :thumbup::D

Moose
 
That's awesome I didn't know anyone sold a ready to use kit of this stuff !
 
As the son of a chemical engineer, who happened to inherit quite a bit of his old man's nerdiness, that's cool as hell. In a mad scientist kind of way. And the machete...drool.
 
I keep a film canister of the Potassium Permanganate and a little bottle of glycerin in my kit. I will now have to go to the store and get some 00 capsules to make my own. I did not ever think of that. I wonder if you could just put the drops on the capsule and the glycerin will disolve it to start the reaction. You can also use the Potassium Permangante to treat water for consumption and use it for treating fungal problems. It does have several uses. I always thought it was a good piece of kit to carry. I think I read about it in a survival manual some where. That was a long time ago.
 
I keep a film canister of the Potassium Permanganate and a little bottle of glycerin in my kit. I will now have to go to the store and get some 00 capsules to make my own. I did not ever think of that. I wonder if you could just put the drops on the capsule and the glycerin will disolve it to start the reaction. You can also use the Potassium Permangante to treat water for consumption and use it for treating fungal problems. It does have several uses. I always thought it was a good piece of kit to carry. I think I read about it in a survival manual some where. That was a long time ago.

I didn't try putting it on the cellulose capsule. If you did, I would say you got at least 10-15 minutes before it would start the reaction, maybe longer. Moose
 
What was old is new again. Start fires, purify water, and treat fungal infections. Think I read about this in a WWII manual.

Still kinda cool.
 
Did he ship that to you? I am wondering if that stuff is able to go in the mail. I've used it before, but the setup that he made is slick. I want some. :D
 
I'm thinking that if you get caught mailing it you're gonna get in some serious trouble. On both ends, sending and recieving. You aren't permitted to mail ammunition, and it's a lot more stable than that kit is.

UPS requires an ORM-D label and 40 hours of hazardous material certification now to mail anything that isn't loaded ammo. For example, you can't ship rifle or shotgun primers, but you can ship loaded ammo.

That is cool as hell though. Where can you get the PP and glycerin at?
 
You can get the Potaaaium Permanganate locally, at least the last gallon container that I got was at a local store that had pool supplies. I think it is used in some filtering capacity. If you have a place that sells chemical you can get it there also. I also got my glycerin at the pharmacy for a couple bucks, at least more than I would ever need for my kit. Google it and see what it can be used for. It is used for a lot of things. I also got the capsules at the pharmacy, they sell large bags of them for a few dollars. And the capsules come in different sizes up to horse pill size, ones that would be hard to swallow.
 
I figured I could get the glycerin at the pharmacy, wasn't sure about the PP. I hadn't noticed it at any stores, but I wasn't specifically looking for it either.
 
I just checked shipping, they must ship in seperate containers, but both can be shipped USPS, UPS, and Fedex. USPS, it can go in a padded envelope. If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me. Thanks. Moose
 
Individually, they probably aren't classified as hazardous, that would be my guess. Good news for everyone!
 
Did he ship that to you? I am wondering if that stuff is able to go in the mail. I've used it before, but the setup that he made is slick. I want some. :D

First I want to thank Moose for the product review. It's my first and I'm honored to have it posted here. I'm also flattered for the positive response. I just upgraded my membership to Gold which hasn't propagated through the system yet, but I'll post RapidFire Capsules for sale in Exchange once my membership comes through. They can be shipped by postal service but can only go by ground to the Lower 48 (I don't know about Canada yet). My intention is to sell them at wholesale to retail establishments starting in my region (South East U.S.) and then optimistically moving forward from there.

When I'm listed in Exchange in the next few days I'll let people know.

Tenkara (Smoky Mountain R&D's hardest working employee)
 
I keep a film canister of the Potassium Permanganate and a little bottle of glycerin in my kit. I will now have to go to the store and get some 00 capsules to make my own. I did not ever think of that.


I wish I could claim credit for it. I saw it originally on instructables.com or some other make it yourself type website. A little research showed that the basis for using it as a firestarter came about from a fellow out west in Utah or maybe Idaho. He had a utility patent that lapsed in 2003 thus leaving the idea of a specific potassium permanganate firestarter in the public domain. If you want to do it yourself then Have Fun! Just keep in mind that potassium permanganate is light sensitive and needs to stored away from sunlight... and away from glycerin as well.:D
 
Speaking as a chemical engineer (I are one!), I say cool. Brings back memories of playing with potassium permanganate, potassium perchlorate, aluminum powder....well, we had fun many years ago.
 
the reaction rate will depend on the size of the particles of the potassium permanginate... smaller = faster...this is the classic reaction rate demonstration in a chem 1 class
 
What was old is new again. Start fires, purify water, and treat fungal infections. Think I read about this in a WWII manual.

Still kinda cool.

THIS !!!

History repeats itself..

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btw: how long is the blade on that bk? also when did you get your fiddleback? must be nice!!
 
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btw: how long is the blade on that bk? also when did you get your fiddleback? must be nice!!

19 " overall length 14 " length blade .188 blade thickness Weight: 17.8oz All Feature: devastating cutting power – proven in the world’s most challenging environments.Each flat ground blade features an incredibly sharp blade and the most comfortable hard-use knife handle in the world. • Exclusive high carbon steel (0170-6C) • 58-59 RC blade hardness • Black epoxy coating • Becker trademark GV6H ergonomic handles • Proudly made in the U.S.A.

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I got my Hunter last wednesday. Its a phenomenal knife. Almost wanna say perfect. Moose
 
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