Snapping Taps

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HELLLPP! I'm tapping for M2 in 0.050" titanium and I'm snapping taps. Have drilled 1.6mm tap holes and am tapping by hand with cutting lube (and backing off frequently) but am sick of not only snapping the expensive little bastids but tapping with trepidation i.e. just waiting for that horrible noise. I even tried opening out the holes a bit, no good. Am using intermediate and bottom taps. Tapping shouldn't be this miserable. Oh yeah, I junked a liner too
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Ferett,
You can make a tapping block to use for hand tapping. You need a block of steel or aluminum, say 19-25mm x 38-50mm x 75-100mm.
Measure the body diameter of your tap. Drill a slightly larger hole near one corner of the block. Lube up the ole tap, insert into hole,
hole part against block aligning the tap and part hole. (I stand the block on end (long ways holding the part against the block with my free hand.) Twist tap and make threads.
One other thing drill the hole to be tapped oversize. Titanium tends to swell when tapped and if the 1.6mm hole closes up it will be smaller than the root diameter of your tap and SNAP GOES THE WEASEL. To prove it to yourself, try putting a 1.6mm drill back thru a hole that you sucessfully tapped. The hole will be smaller than what you drilled. I don't have a good metric chart on hand now, but 1.6mm is equivalent to our 1/16"(.0625"). I would recommend a no. 51 drill (.067") for the tap drill. If you like I can provide a drawing of the block if my discription was not clear. Just say so.
btw the liner isn't junked. Make a punch out of 1/8"(.125)or so round rod. On the bench grinder or belt sander grind a fine point on one end of the rod. (Careful not to get it too hot,when it starts changing colors it's too hot.) Flaten the end of the punch slightly. Set the liner on the tapping block with the protruding tap tip over the hole you drilled for the tap body(broken part of the tap down), align the flat of the punch and the tip of the tap, hold firmly and strike the punch sharply with your trusty hammer and drive the tap out. Drill out with the oversize tap drill, retap. Hope this helps out. LarryD

[This message has been edited by dson (edited 05-13-2001).]
 
To get the tap out and save the liner soak it in ferric cloride. It will eat the tap and not the ti. Are you drilling the hole fast. If so you are making a glaze on the ti and causing it to be HARD!
Chamfer the holes before tapping .
Try a battery drill.

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there is a thread like this going on at the Folder Forum on Knifeforums....you might want to check it out if you havent done so already.

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Thanks all. Larry, I would have used the 51 but it was gone (using work drills) so I was stuck with 52. Will get my own set today. The liner is junked because I'd punched out one tap already an in frustration used the drill press (without diconnecting the belts, had already tried it that way) and naturally created a clearance hole. The swelling of the ti under drilling is no doubt the problem.
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Darrel, I will try the cordless drill for sure...with torque control and reverse I expect success.
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Tom, I'm on my way...I tried the scattergun approach and asked for help all over the place...I forgot not to panic
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Ferret, buy one of the cordless electric screw drivers and the little drill chucks that go in them. Chuck up the tap and thread away. Kit Carson was kind enough to share this information and I've tapped as small as 1-72 holes in .090 ti and haven't broken a tap yet. Just dip the tap in oil when you start and back out half way and dip again. If you can't find the chucks down under, lemme know and I'll get one and send it to you.

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A simple way to get by aqnd do a good job without breaking taps is to chuck the tap in your drill press, raise the table close to the tap, do not of course start the drill but bring the tap down into the hole with the spindle with one hand and apply a little down pressure while turning the chuck by hand. You of course will get a good feel for what is happening and will let you know when to reverse. It may be slow but it sure works great unless your hole is undersize or your tap is worn out, but then you will feel this. I'm right handed and have found that using my left hand on the spindle and my right on the chuck works for me. Frank.
 
Ferrett,
Try just using the starter tap. Using the plug tap and/or the bottom tap is just begging for a problem. Good luck....

Eric Shaw

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Thankee...problem solved by opening out the hole a touch, using the cordless drill and cleaning out the tap threads frequently
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I was also lucky enough to get Kit's advice with the Skill twist hand drill. I have 40+ folders under my belt and have only broke 3 taps. I use 1-72 for the most part but have been playing lately with 0-80. Make sure you take you time and don't get lazy an lean the drill at an angle while in the hole, that's how I snapped 2 of the 3! If tapping thick material make sure you remove tap and clean burrs from the end frequently. Enjoy!
 
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