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:mad: OK! I got home from work, got a piece of scrap steel and started attempting for the first time, putting a bevel on it. MAN DO I SUCK! i swear, a monkey could do better work. Its nasty! Thankfully i didnt put it on my profiled knife yet. im a perfectionist, so i refuse to suck at this (since im a new maker). Thus, since i like action with complaint, heres my plan. my belt is a one inch with slack... im gonna make a metal plate that can run behind it so theres no more slack. secondly, the belt is a 120 grit. im thinkin ill get a 6 grit or smaller and try that so it takes fewer passes. please hit me up with some advice here. (i tried doing it on the disc portion of the sander and it flipped the steel out of my hands.... fearing for my feet, i stopped that!)
 
OK, some advice. First, and formost. Don't beat up on yourself for not getting it perfect the first time. Look at your first few steps (and all others after) as valuable learning experiences, not failed attempts at perfection.
I start with a 36 grit belt. Makes quicker work in hogging off steel. You could also go with a 60. I usually reserve 120 for after I've got all the bevels ground in and am just cleaning up the scratch patterns from the previous belts. I then go to 220, 400, then hand sand 220,400, and maybe 600 or higher.
Some other thoughts. Its a good idea to mark the centerline of your edge. It can also be helpful to use a sharpie to mark in where you want your grind lines to be.
I grind edge up, and alternate sides with every pass. This helps keep things even which helps avoid warping later on. I dip in water every few passes to keep it cool. I look to see how I am doing after every other pass or so. I apply more pressure on the edge side or the back side of the blade to move the bevel which ever way it needs to go.
You are right to get a platten (metal backing) behind your belt, its essential.
If you want to speed up the learning curve, get yourself some wood the same thickness as the steel you want to work with and practice on that. It goes a lot faster, and you can get the hang of it pretty quick.
Just don't give up. Making knives rocks!
And keep watching this forum and posting questions.
Ed
 
I start with 60 grit belts. they make some quick work (when new) of grinding .
i then go to a new 220 belt to clean up the deep scratches. i saved a 220 belt that i had burnt the grit off of and it acts like a 600 ish grit.( i dont think they make 4*36 belts higher than 220.. if you know of a good supplier than please tell me ) being critical is better than being overly optimistic... i thought my first knives were great!... :barf: it turns out i only hade about 1cm of bevel on 1/4 in thick steel :barf: and there was about a 1/2mm left on the edge! (didnt bring the bevels to touch).when grinding make sure that the first thing you do is right then the rest should be easy.
 
I start with 60 and go to 600 on my knives. You can get higher than 220 grit in 2" belts from TKS. I'm on a 4 X 36 myself.

Darryl
 
Since I started using the ceramic belts, I hog with 60 grit. Those 963 and 977 belts seem like they just go onand on. You don't get the deep scratches from them that a 36 or 40 grit leaves.
 
1.St I learnt to hollow grind with a few wood blanks cut to knife shape.

2.nd If you are not already doing it lock your elbows into yours ribs. If you hold your arms/ elbows away from your body you get more bounce and movement less control.
 
Practice--Practice--Practice

Whether on wood or steel,you gotta make allot of dust to learn how to grind.It is easier to always use new sharp belts,I wouldn't suggest starting to try and use every ounce of grit you can get from your belts untill you get some more Practice under your belt ;) if you know what I mean.Learning to get a good crisp clean grind is not as easy as one would think,if you have a opertunity to go to another makers shop and watch him (her) you will takes months off the learning curve,A 1X30 is not much belt to work with in the first place so I suggest smaller blades to start with.
I also start with 60 grit but then only use 150 and 320 grit and finish up with a dull slick 320 covered with WD-40.Then on to hand finishing the blade.
Good Luck,and just keep "Practicing"
Bruce
 
Good stuff here.
get some paint stir sticks or a couple of yard sticks from the hardware store..
cut them about 8-10 inches. profile a blade on each end...4 inches max...forget about a handle.. I'm already sure you can do that. Draw a center line on the edge part of the "blades".
Put a mid range belt on 120-180 or so. put a platten on. Now stand with feet planted solidly, lock your elbows in tightly and start grinding. It will take a light touch to not take off too much wood.
It helps to have good lighting so you can see exactly where and how much you are taking off.
 
:D Thank you! You have made so many of us smile. We've all shared this feeling - and it keeps coming back. There is some excellent tecnical advice above. I was going to suggest hand filing the bevels as an option till you get a platen worked out but then I noticed your username. If you have CTS that is not an option. (or at best a painful one).


One thing I will suggest is to tell that perfectionist inside you to be patient. If your first knife is perfect, it's going to be really hard to beat that standard with your next one. We treasure the early faults on our knives and enjoy chasing after the current ones.

Enjoy the journey - Welcome to the trail.
 
If you do use wood or steel but moore so wood, get yourself a belt cleaning stick.
Some are rubber some are plastic. As the belt starts to clog up with wood it starts to burn. Give the belt a clean out if it starts to clog and you will get more use from the belt. Some wood will clog the belts moore than others.
 
Hey all. Dude, these ideas are fabulous. i was at home depot today (my wife let me get a rollaway tool box!) and i grabbed a few paint sticks.... tomorrow, i will turn them from sticks to spintlers until i get this down. Im gonna make a platen for my grinder out of a piece of 2' angle iron I think.... Im lookin foreward to gettin this thing down, because i think the knife i profiled is pretty neat. Thanks again all...
 
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