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diff_lock2

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Reprofiling H1 by hand was going really slow. So I brought My tazman to work with me, where we have a shitty high speed grinding wheel, and let it rip.

I have never used the wheel before. I have ruined one of my favorite knives.






How much would it cost to repair? I doubt I am sending it out for repair.

I have a tormek-like system, but I don't think it can handle hawkbill knives.
 
i bet the edge is pretty hard at this point, since it is work hardened. i also highly doubt spyderco would help, since you took it to a grinder. as long as it is sharp i wouldnt worry about it.
 
Don't feel lonely dude, that kind of thing happens to most knife guys once. It doesn't seem like it could be that difficult... :)

I bet that Spyderco would replace the blade or the knife for you. I know of this happening to a Kershaw recently, and Kershaw sent the guy a brand new knife, no charge. I bet Spyderco would do the same thing. Even if they charged a few bucks, it would be infinitely better than trying to fix it.
 
myt132-cu said:
Don't feel lonely dude, that kind of thing happens to most knife guys once. It doesn't seem like it could be that difficult... :)

I bet that Spyderco would replace the blade or the knife for you. I know of this happening to a Kershaw recently, and Kershaw sent the guy a brand new knife, no charge. I bet Spyderco would do the same thing. Even if they charged a few bucks, it would be infinitely better than trying to fix it.
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Spyderco doesn't replace blades at all.

And he destroyed the edge on the knife. Why should they send him a new knife? :confused:
 
Josh K said:
Spyderco doesn't replace blades at all.

And he destroyed the edge on the knife. Why should they send him a new knife? :confused:
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Because they want happy customers? Because Kershaw does it? I don't know, just relating a recent experience.
 
myt132-cu said:
Because they want happy customers? Because Kershaw does it? I don't know, just relating a recent experience.
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Kershaw might do that but I am almost positive Spyderco would not. They would probably sharpen it up but they wouldn't replace anything. There is nothing in the warranty about customers that don't know how to sharpen so the warranty shouldn't be void but they aren't going to replace it. Heck, they won't even send out a new pocket clip unless you pay about 10 bucks for it.
 
Josh K said:
myt132-cu said:
Don't feel lonely dude, that kind of thing happens to most knife guys once. It doesn't seem like it could be that difficult... :)

I bet that Spyderco would replace the blade or the knife for you. I know of this happening to a Kershaw recently, and Kershaw sent the guy a brand new knife, no charge. I bet Spyderco would do the same thing. Even if they charged a few bucks, it would be infinitely better than trying to fix it.
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Spyderco doesn't replace blades at all.

And he destroyed the edge on the knife. Why should they send him a new knife? :confused:
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myt132-cu said:
Because they want happy customers? Because Kershaw does it? I don't know, just relating a recent experience.
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I do not know all the parameters of the Kershaw replacement. I do know that with the possible exception of Busse, companies do not replace blades that were damaged by the customer doing something he should not have been doing.
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
Kershaw might do that but I am almost positive Spyderco would not. They would probably sharpen it up but they wouldn't replace anything. There is nothing in the warranty about customers that don't know how to sharpen so the warranty shouldn't be void but they aren't going to replace it. Heck, they won't even send out a new pocket clip unless you pay about 10 bucks for it.
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Charging for a pocket clip? That's ridiculous.
Kershaw has a reputation For helping the customer no matter how the damage occurred. Their CS is far and above any other company out there IMO.
Send it to someone who knows how to fix it and call it a day. Live and learn.
 
A_Blade_Afficionado said:
Charging for a pocket clip? That's ridiculous.
Kershaw has a reputation For helping the customer no matter how the damage occurred. Their CS is far and above any other company out there IMO.
Send it to someone who knows how to fix it and call it a day. Live and learn.
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Considering the pocket clips on the Salt series are titanium, I don't think it's ridiculous at all. If the clip broke due to a defect, they'd replace it for free, but not for damage due to owner negligence.

Kershaw also has Kai backing them, Spyderco doesn't. The position of the decimal point on the parent company's annual gross income does make a difference in what you can afford to do to make your customers happy.

What happened to this knife is not due to a defect in material or workmanship, which is what the warranty covers. In my opinion, anyone who damages their knife by their own action and expects the manufacturer (any manufacturer) to repair or replace it for free doesn't deserve to own that knife. They shouldn't be allowed to have sharp objects until they learn to take responsibility for their actions.

Lastly, to the OP, that doesn't look any worse than my user PE H-1 Spyderhawk. It's a tool, use it for one. In a few weeks or months, it would look like that anyway.
 
Man it is hilarious how every time someone posts a damaged knife photo on these forums, it always seems to spawn a discussion about what ought-a be covered under warranty. Some of you people apply a logic similar to thinking a demolition derby car ought to be replaced under warranty.

The knife is pretty severely damaged, but the nice thing about H-1 is that you do not have to worry about the heat treat (there is not one). You can either use it as is, or sent it to someone for a re-grind. Look at this as an OPPORTUNITY to transform the knife into something a little different and perhaps more specialized to your needs and wants.
 
I'm not saying that anyone ought to get a new knife for being stupid, but it wouldn't be too much to ask for a cheap blade (or knife) replacement. Benchmade replaces damaged blades for a nominal fee.

I"m not a Spyderco guy, but I have a couple, and I'm sure I'll get more. I heard that Spyderco has great CS. I'm familiar with Kershaw's and Benchmade's, so I figured they must be comparable, that's all.
 
myt132-cu said:
I'm not saying that anyone ought to get a new knife for being stupid, but it wouldn't be too much to ask for a cheap blade (or knife) replacement. Benchmade replaces damaged blades for a nominal fee.
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Here's the thing. This knife is a lockback. If Spyderco were generous enough to replace the blade, they'd also have to replace the locking bar. The two pieces are precisely machined to mate up together when the blade is opened. Effectively, you'd be replacing the whole knife. In this case, there's no such thing as a 'cheap' replacement. Think how expensive this would get for any maker, if they replaced knives for anybody who'd tried & failed to sharpen it properly.

To the OP (diff_lock2), don't fret too much over this. This knife isn't necessarily ruined. It's just changed. Think of this as a great opportunity to learn from it. Think about what you'd do differently if you had it to do over again. Use this knife as your test subject from here on. The great thing is, you'll not likely be afraid to try something new with it now. It's already scuffed & scarred a little bit. Now you can get as creative as you want with it, because it's virtually all upside from here, lots of room for improvement. Make the most of it.
 
myt132-cu said:
I'm not saying that anyone ought to get a new knife for being stupid, but it wouldn't be too much to ask for a cheap blade (or knife) replacement. Benchmade replaces damaged blades for a nominal fee.

I"m not a Spyderco guy, but I have a couple, and I'm sure I'll get more. I heard that Spyderco has great CS. I'm familiar with Kershaw's and Benchmade's, so I figured they must be comparable, that's all.
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The knife isn't cheap.

The blade isn't cheap.

The blades are made in Japan, this would necessitate shipping one over here, or worse yet shipping the entire knife back. As I understand it the Seki factory doesn't like replacing blades.
 
unit said:
The knife is pretty severely damaged, but the nice thing about H-1 is that you do not have to worry about the heat treat (there is not one).
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Are you sure about this? I thought that some of the carbon was replaced with nitrogen but that it still had to go through a heat treat process. I know it likes to work harden further but thought it still had to be hardened initially?
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
Are you sure about this? I thought that some of the carbon was replaced with nitrogen but that it still had to go through a heat treat process. I know it likes to work harden further but thought it still had to be hardened initially?
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Apparently, they (Spyderco) don't heat treat this steel. Found this text in the description of one of the Salt knives on Spyderco's site:

"H1 is a PH steel meaning it is a precipitation-processed alloy, that's rolled hard without heat-treating and has .1% nitrogen which acts like carbon in the steel matrix, but does not react to chlorine making rust. "

Here's the link:

http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=40
 
That's not ruined, just scratched up. If the scratches bug you, they can be polished out. But it's the edge that does the cutting, how rough the finish on the rest of the blade is, is almost irrelevant. You can probably sharpen the edge on your "Tormek-like" grinder if you carefully use the corner of the wheel
 
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