So I wore my Vibram FiveFingers for five miles this weekend... (semi-reviewish)

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... up and down mountain trails, through rocky terrain, muddy paths, pools of rain from days earlier, crumbled asphalt, paved asphalt, swampy wetlands, and good old dirt, and I must say, I was rather impressed.

They're KSO Treks, recommended to me for hiking. It was almost a five-mile hike, long hike for me in my shape with a 40-pound backpack, and my shoulders gave out to the strain from the pack before my feet did. In fact, my feet never did. Then again, my feet have always hurt in regular shoes and adjusted immediately to KSO Treks without pain at all, save for my pinky toe (I have a crooked pinky toe that curls under the next toe wen closed and it does not align well in FiveFingers, whose target audience seems to be the perfect, archetypal foot).

Here are my observations that are not what they already told me in the ads:
:thumbup: Even though they got wet easily, they also dried out very easily. After failing to avoid most water in the first two miles, I noticed that every time they got soaked, they would eventually feel dry again after walking for only 5 more minutes. I stopped avoiding all but the nastiest-looking stagnant pools afterward. Once I reached camp and took them off, they were no doubt cold with dampness, but they do not retain water because of how thin the material is, as opposed to regular hiking boots thick with cushion and absorbent material, even waterproof ones; all it takes is for water to be higher than ankle or go in between the vamp and tongue.
:thumbup: A lot of people expressed concern over the protection the sole offers. I've come to realize that stepping on rocks hurts my feet no matter what shoes I have, but I actually have an advantage with these. With hiking boots, stiff in form, the pain is inescapable because of the support it tries to give. You step on a rock and there's nothing you can do about it, concentrating all that pressure on the arch of your foot, teeter-tottering back and forth in pain until you lose balance and fall. With the FFs, the pain comes because the soles flex with the terrain, and you can avoid the pain simply by just going with the contour of the ground and its assortment of hazards, flexing your foot around that rock. The flexibility of the shoe overall is why I bought them in the first place; all my other shoes have a good crack in the sole right at the ball of my feet. I stand, walk, and run on the balls of my feet and always have them bent.
:thumbup: Amazing grippiness. Not because of friction--any shoe can have a high-friction sole slapped on--but, again, this is because the flexibility allowed me to form my foot around anything on the ground.
:thumbup::thumbdn: The shoes slowed me down a lot because I had to keep looking where I was stepping. I know it sounds contradictory to what I've been saying about them hurting less on rocks, but the danger here is with the toes. They are pretty fragile out in the wilderness, and the shoes don't afford them much protection. However, slowing me down helped me take in nature, avoid running straight into spider webs, helped me stay on trail and not miss markers, among a lot of other things I would've missed if I marched through like a boss.
:thumbdn: I think they smell. I couldn't tell myself, but I left them in the vestibule of my tent and saw the flies having a grand time around my shoes through the see-through mesh. I did not smell anything all night, though.
:thumbdn: They stretched a lot and got looser and looser. Not having purchase in my steps slowed me down further. In fact...
:thumbdn: There was a point where it almost felt like a seam broke in my left big toe somewhere. The sockliner seemed to have suddenly given up trying to keep its shape. Moving my toes horizontally with very slight pressure, I saw that only the liner would stretch while the sole stayed pretty firm. This has me worried as I've come across a few reviews of the KSO Treks saying their shoes just completely gave out on them and that Vibram's customer service and warranty are anything but stellar. I did not notice this stretchiness the next morning--they are back to normal now.

Have any of you ever taken FiveFingers out on the trails before? I must say, I had quite a good time in them.
 
I used mine exclusively this summer when camping and canoeing and loved them! I honestly shared neither your issues with stretch or feeling that toes were fragile, and find them the most comfortable shoes I have ever worn, although I wish there was a bit less sole along the base of the toes to increase mobility- but that would increase the feeling of vulnerability that you mentioned I would think. Have you usually worn heavy shoes/boots on trails before? I ask because I have always found ankle mobility was more important than ankle control, and if you are more used to thicker boots then I can understand the feeling of vulnerability.

My only "problem" with them is I keep picking flowers with my first 2 toes when walking through fields. ;)
 
I dig the Treks :thumbup:

my girlfriend has had a pair for a year or so and loves them, i finally found a pair I liked earlier this spring and haven't worn regular sneakers since. I wear them hiking, running, walking, all my workouts, everything except work (steel toe requirements :) ) I love the fact that they drain and dry out quickly, my dog loves running up and down little creeks and streams, and I can keep up with him a lot easier in these as opposed to more traditional footwear.

I was worried about the ankle support at first also, but you hit the nail on the head, having the extra grip and flexibility has been a great advantage when moving over awkward terrain and up and down hills. I have noted the "flowerpicking" and it doesn't bother me as long as stuff doesn't have thorns on it :)

The problem that I am going to have is that I don't want to go back to boots when cold weather comes back :(
 
I like ankle control, but it's not as much a polar opposite of mobility as you might think. The thing with mobility is that I have control--with stiff boots, the boots have control. And I always like having control :)
And toes, well, they're a tiny piece of flesh supported by a tiny bone. They are naturally pretty fragile, and that's when stiff shoes help protect them a bit more. Nothing like steel-toed ones, though.

I did forget to mention how often I picked up twigs between my toes. That wasn't as annoying as it was funny!
 
Just my opinion, but I feel they suck for walking. Little to no support at all. Better than cheap flip flops or dress shoes, but not much more. They work great for yoga, and are great for playing around in the water.
 
I used mine for kayaking rivers in northern Michigan. Had them on at the beach and portaging over shallows and they filled with sand easily. Great for canoe / kayak trips. I don't think I would try hiking with them...I would hate to risk foot injury and have to limp back with a pack. They do take a while to get used to. The salesperson at REI recommended wearing them alot before running into the woods with them. She is right, some areas of my foot needed to build up toughness before I could walk long distances in them. Which meant stopping just before you form a blister. Now they're fine.
 
The MD I work with has used them for trail running the last year or so and was happy with them. Until...diagnosed with 3 stress fractures last month! Doh!
 
Anyone heard of someone with Plantar Fascitis wearing them? I have trouble with my right foot and while I love minimal style shoes, not sure I can get by with these. I do wear Tevas and Mountain Treks but after 5-6 miles, that right heal is complaining.
Thanks,
Bill
 
I also have a KSO Trek,

yeah they were comfortable, well fitted to my feet, but it really doesn't made to adapt the tropical climate i have in Indonesia. When I went to Papua (well known to have wettest and no-trails-made-by-human jungle in my country) for a hike, i find out the humidity plus the hot climate made my feet covered in FFs sweat badly, and most of the time I slipped out INSIDE the shoes it self -- cant find the exact way to describe this but the soles really grippy but the insoles aren't -- and that doesn't feel nice, very uncomfortable when i climb some slopes or rocks.

And yes they do smell. there's no air circulation on the insoles + the sweat :)


Bram
 
They've been around for quite sometime (Vibram released them I think '06 or '07 IIRC) but only become "the hotness" recently about two years ago.

For running, I also heard that beyond a certain load limit (i.e. - your weight), they're not advisable because of the lack of support.
 
I have a pair of 5 fingers and they work great for me. It took a little time to get used to them but know it's like wearing a nice fitting pair of gloves.
 
My only complaint is because they do fit like gloves, the pair I have are somewhat difficult to get my toes aligned with and get into. I walk up to five miles on pavement and the same on easy trails with my dogs and when I return home my feet always feel better than if I were wearing shoes. I've done a bit of running and sprinting in them, mostly on rubberized tracks. I think I'm a bit heavy to do much running on pavement with them. I like them in the gym also but don't wear them much there just because I don't like the thought of a metal plate landing on an essentially bare foot.
 
Good review. I really wanted to like mine. I was just in between sizes, if I went with the smaller, my big toe hit the end and it was annoying, the next size up and my other toes were barely in their spots at all.
 
I have wanted to try these out for a while, however I have flat feet so I wear custom orthopedic inserts, I wonder how it would feel to walk in these without them.
 
The MD I work with has used them for trail running the last year or so and was happy with them. Until...diagnosed with 3 stress fractures last month! Doh!

Doh! Is right. They have no support. Forget wearing 40lbs on your back when hiking. You can wearing nothing but shorts, underwear, and your FF shoes and still have to much weight for them. I'm shocked some of our tropical members are saying they are no good in the hot and humid tropics. If they have one excellent use, it would be to keep inside a bug out bag, just in case you don't have sturdy hiking boots with you. They are compact, light, and work without socks and even when wet. Great for river crossings. I don't walk around all the time in hiking boots. I really like fashionable shoes, so I'm seen in nice leather dress shoes and boots most of the time. I'd hate to only have dress shoes if I had to bug out. I don't think I could stand to walk more than 3 miles in dress shoes or boots. I've walked about 10 miles at Disneyland in my FF shoes. It sucked and my feet hurt like hell. I saw five other idiots wearing the same model of FF shoes! At least they are better than dress shoes. But cheap skateboarding shoes would be better. I paid a lot for those stupid shoes and they suck for everything except playing in the water. But even then they can be knocked off of your feet and or they slow your kicks down when swimming. They not as good as water booties for water. Not as good as boots for hiking. Not comfortable enough to replace sandles. I think I'm going to take mine back. I'm pissed :mad:
 
The MD I work with has used them for trail running the last year or so and was happy with them. Until...diagnosed with 3 stress fractures last month! Doh!

Were the fractures from wearing the shoes or something?

... and most of the time I slipped out INSIDE the shoes it self -- cant find the exact way to describe this but the soles really grippy but the insoles aren't -- and that doesn't feel nice, very uncomfortable when i climb some slopes or rocks.

I know what you mean. There were times when I would start walking and it felt like the sole wanted to stay on the ground and only the sockliner was stretching with me. It's kind of like walking in flip flops. This went away overnight, though--I think the shoes were just reaching their limit after the first day hiking.

I have wanted to try these out for a while, however I have flat feet so I wear custom orthopedic inserts, I wonder how it would feel to walk in these without them.

I have somewhat flat feet as well. Not sure about other FF models, but the sole on the KSO Treks does not cover below the inner arch of the foot. The width of the sole at the arch area is actually pretty narrow and only pads the outer arch of your foot. This may have been designed with us flatfeet guys in mind--the fabric of the sockliner stretches and conforms to whatever the shape of our inner arch is. I can imagine it being awkward, like walking only on one longitudinal half of a shoe, but since I walk on the balls of my feet, I wouldn't know really.

Doh! Is right. They have no support...

I think it's a matter of what you feel more comfortable with. I carried 46 pounds with them and my feet were fine. It's a tough tradeoff, though--do you want support and protection, or do you want control and flexibility? I went with the latter just as an experiment, but I ended up liking it. And of course it matters if your feet can get adjusted to them or take the extra pounding. Most people take a while, but I adjust immediately, though I don't know why.
 
I have used my regular KSOs on treks and they worked well except for keeping the toes safe like you mentioned. It always seemed that once I quit paying attention, BAM! My wife finally threw them out because of the smell.
 
I don't understand the comments about the lack of support. Humans weren't meant to wear shoes. Shoes are just for added protection and style. That being said, I don't think that these shoes/rubber-toe-socks serve a real purpose. Why not just go bare foot? It may hurt at first but you'll end up with stronger feet after a while.
 
I don't understand the comments about the lack of support. Humans weren't meant to wear shoes. Shoes are just for added protection and style. That being said, I don't think that these shoes/rubber-toe-socks serve a real purpose. Why not just go bare foot? It may hurt at first but you'll end up with stronger feet after a while.

That's my original understanding. If our ancestors could walk barefoot, why couldn't we with at least the protection these offer? I wouldn't recommend jumping immediately from a lifetime of cushy shoes to barefootedness, though. And, as the only member of my household who walks barefoot as well as a member of a household that seems to have a lot of accidents with glass, I do see shoes as having a purpose :cool:
 
^^ Agree, big time. The literature that comes with the shoes (I'm certain you ALL read it right? ;) ) specifically states not to wear them for more than an hour each of the first few days you own them and not to jump straight into workouts/long walks/hikes/whatnot. I'm pretty young and fit and it took me a good week of wearing them around to feel comfortable going running and trailhiking in them. And I used to run around barefoot all the time when I was younger. If you're 40-60 and been wearing overpadded sneakers your whole life (or are yourself overpadded ;) ), you may want to take it slow for a few weeks or months before going all out. Your legs will thank you :)


Edit: To the guys worried about them smelling... when they start getting rank, I just throw them in an old pillowcase and wash them like any other laundry... I probably do so once every other week :)
 
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