So what happened with G11?

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I remember a few years back there was this new stuff called G11. A greenish looking material supposedly being a 'new and improved' G10.
A few boxes of it were given away and it was presented as if it was going to be THE material in the future.
Never heared from it again.
So what happened?
 
HaHa... Your story is quite a bit off from what really happened Harry. ;)


It was never being introduced around here as the new material of the future... G9, G10, and G11 have been around a long time. Jim had a stockpile of it that were all drops from a company near him that used it in electrical panels and such. I got some from him... BIG pieces (some almost 2" thick!).

He was basically giving it away for the cost of shipping (plus a little bit for cutting+packaging), just as a favor to knifemakers. He wasn't giving free samples of dope to get people hooked so he could sell them more later. ;) :D

You can still readily find G11 on the market. McMaster Carr has it in many different forms. And the jade green was just the color that they happened to use for the job, so it's what Jim had to give out. I have some that's white, and some that's gray. Many sources offer G9, G10, and G11... the G is for garolite...all are glass-epoxy laminates.

Jim gave it all away, and there have been a lot of knives made by forum members with it. Charlie Edmundson got the last lot of it from Jim (I think a few hundred pounds) and sold some of it in the exchange. :)
 
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While we're on the subject, what is the best way to cut the big pieces? I have a slab about 2"x2" thick that I'd like to cut but have no idea how to do it... wet saw perhaps?
 
You got it. Wet saw works great and less mess. It eats sawblades.
While we're on the subject, what is the best way to cut the big pieces? I have a slab about 2"x2" thick that I'd like to cut but have no idea how to do it... wet saw perhaps?
 
Thermoset composite materials are sold by manufacturers in "grades" which denote the materials used (e.g., resin, matrix/laminate, additives) and often the intended application. The grades for these materials are assigned by NEMA and often MILSPECs.

G10 (also referred to as FR4) is defined as a "A continuous woven glass fabric laminated with an epoxy resin."

G11 is basically the same type of material, but is formulated "for continuous use at elevated temperature. G-11 retains at least 50% of its structural strength at continuous operating temperatures in excess of 300°F"

G9/G5 is a different beast - which is based on melamine resin and a woven glass fiber matrix. Melamine resin is typically much harder and more brittle than epoxy.

G7 is a high-temperature glass fiber laminate that uses a silicone resin.

GPO3 is a different type of materials - it uses random (not woven) glass fibers embedded in a polyester resin. It is less expensive, tough and not brittle.

There are many other "grades" of composites out there - including the phenolic grades, which we generally refer to as "Micarta". The material called G3 (also called PhenoGlas) is a phenolic resin that uses woven fiber matrix rather than the cotton cloth used in Micarta grades - basically a fiberglass Micarta.

TedP

P.S. - I just served as a counselor for the new Boy Scout Composite Materials Merit Badge. It was really cool teaching Scouts about the different properties and uses of composites!
 
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Thnx for the info!
I've seen G7 for sale als knife scales (nice white) Will that be any good?
 
Thermoset composite materials are sold by manufacturers in "grades" which denote the materials used (e.g., resin, matrix/laminate, additives) and often the intended application. The grades for these materials are assigned by NEMA and often MILSPECs.

G10 (also referred to as FR4) is defined as a "A continuous woven glass fabric laminated with an epoxy resin."

G11 is basically the same type of material, but is formulated "for continuous use at elevated temperature. G-11 retains at least 50% of its structural strength at continuous operating temperatures in excess of 300°F"

G9/G5 is a different beast - which is based on melamine resin and a woven glass fiber matrix. Melamine resin is typically much harder and more brittle than epoxy.

G7 is a high-temperature glass fiber laminate that uses a silicone resin.

GPO3 is a different type of materials - it uses random (not woven) glass fibers embedded in a polyester resin. It is less expensive, tough and not brittle.

There are many other "grades" of composites out there - including the phenolic grades, which we generally refer to as "Micarta". The material called G3 (also called PhenoGlas) is a phenolic resin that uses woven fiber matrix rather than the cotton cloth used in Micarta grades - basically a fiberglass Micarta.

TedP

P.S. - I just served as a counselor for the new Boy Scout Composite Materials Merit Badge. It was really cool teaching Scouts about the different properties and uses of composites!



I do believe I have just been schooled... ;) :D


Thanks for the great post! I know just enough to know that I don't know much... That cleared up some things that I wasn't sure about. :)
 
I just got around to using some. Wear a good respirator, dust gets everywhere, and you will itch. Easy to work and looks great.
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I still have a 2" thick 12"x12" brick you could beat someone to death with or use a couple hundred dollars in bandsaw blades to cut up lol. But it does work really easy doesnt overheat and turn colors like the jade green will
 
Just a thought to all y'all with the thick chunks of G-XX: I recently bought big slab of G-10 3/4" thick. Tried splitting it with a table saw, which worked, but started to eat through the $60 blade far too quickly for my liking. I don't remember how I came up with the idea, just common sense I guess, but I took a hatchet, batoned it into the G-10, and it split perfectly along the grain, it even left a peel ply finish. After cutting it into scale width strips with the table saw, I was able to split the 12"X12" chunk into strips of various thickness in about 5 minutes. Give it a shot, just don't use a nice hatchet.
 
It's easy to confuse trade names with chemical names .Most of the Garolite and Micarta are trade names for a very old resin called phenolic resin. That's been around IIRC since the beginning of radio as a circuit board material bake in the 1920s !
 
This was ordered and came to me about seven+ years go. Kevin was daring enough to make it a standard on many of his earlier folders.

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It's an acquired taste. It's a bold material, but so is green canvas Micarta, and I know of another maker who made that fashionable. ;)
 
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